EVE General Discussion

Where is your proof? This is typical tippia BS same process same methods. With the changes to the ships gankers can field more dps for less cost. Gee yes things are more expensive then 5 -10 years ago but the scale of ganking to profit and ease of ganking has done nothing but gone up and gotten easier.

Yes more people are ganking not only for profit but for the lulz only because it is so cheap and because Blue-sec has very little going on


Give haulers a chance to fit better tank because shooting back wont effect the gank.

I understand the tears from the crybaby gankers. You dont want to loose your sport of clubbing baby seals on the beach.

Just like the tears from the barge changes this to shall pass. People will adapt or HTFU.

Gankers have had to easy for to long it is time for a change.

That's not true. There have been several changes.

Some made ganking harder:

1.) The change to deny insurance payout to people who get CONCORDOKKEN had a big impact. Gankers went from paying for 30% of a hull to paying for 100%, which has been an extra 30-50m in cost to the gankers depending on where the hull price has fluctuated.
2.) The recent change giving freighters low slots lets you get far more EHP than was possible previously. This both lets you move more valuable cargos safely, but it also means that the gankers need to get a ship scan of freighters as well as a cargo scan.
3.) Kill rights can now be made available/sold. It used to be that if you ganked a hauling/industrial character then the kill right they got was almost meaningless. Now, when you get a kill right on you it actually does matter.

Others have made ganking easier:

4.) The addition of the Tier 3 battlecruisers, especially the high alpha of the Tornadoes, reduced the cost of ganking with fewer larger ships until the insurance change came to balance that out.
5.) The ability to buy back security status with tags made it possible for profitable ganking to be sustained by buying tags instead of needing to spend a lot of time ratting back up above -5. This makes the loss of security status less of a penalty than it used to be.

Overall, the changes have balanced out to keep the risk/reward relationships in check.

Gank:profit ratios depends entirely on other players. It's your choice if you want to be a profitable target or not.

There is no reason to cry cry cry when the power is in your hands.

1. How cheap is ganking? Tell me, give me some hard numbers.
2. What does "Blue-Sec" (I'm assuming you mean NullSec) have to do with it?

CCP just recently allowed freighters to fit tank. An unprecedented move, and you're crying for "the chance to fit better tank"? Jesus! The entitlement in you people is endless.

BTW it doesn't matter how much chance you have to fit tank if you're not going to use it, so what are you crying about?



The only one crying here is you.



What tears? I did some of my best ganking after the update.

I you roll over my sheep with your armored truck, I can do two things about it:

- buy myself an armored truck and blow yours
- bring some pesticide and poison all sheeps in your brother's farm as he was who paid for your truck.

Your sheeps for my sheeps, dude.

so you'd go and murder some random person's sheep because some one else roadkilled one of yours?
you are aware how stupid that is, right?

no, he's a random person that has nothing to do with your sheep.

Mental capabilities are rarely used by those that dislike the fact that (even non consensual) pvp is part of eve in discussions like this.

so many tears...

the whole cry for more tank fitting options on haulers is just silly; as the haulers that are being ganked are the ones refusing to fit tank. the problem isnt not having the ability to tank ur badger to 80k ehp, its you choosing to not fit that tank. derp

Shooting back really is stupid advice, no offense to anyone who's recommended it.

Badgers can fit 70,000 EHP.
Impels 800,000 EHP.
RF/Push do freighter runs for dirt cheap

The only people that have a right to complain at that point are the big courier groups like RF and Push. Oh wait, they aren't complaining, because they web-warp their freighter each time a bump ship is on grid.

Let's assume you really want to fly your own freighter though. And let's assume web-warping didn't exist. Grab a Providence and fit it with deadspace armor resists. Then grab a couple buddies, or alts. Put them in a Nestor. Congrats! One of those Nestors reps enough back to counter six Talos gank ships. You have two of them. Yes, bring two minimal. If they try ganking the Nestor you need to rep it back. This is also why I said shooting back is stupid advice; that shooter is always better off having brought a Nestor to add more numbers to the logi totals.

Threads like this should be stickied, just so new players can see how absurd the notion of nerfing ganking is and how much of an advantage the gankee has.

Did you know that the humble Sigil can get 1200 passive regen on shields?