Wormholes

Exactly.

People rage rolling with a fleet ready to fight are unaffected, because they are supporting their caps anyway. The difference is that they probably can't sit there playing other games whilst listening on TS anymore.

People (usually 1 or 2 actual people, because everyone else is superfluous anyway) rolling with unsupported Orcas and/or capitals, as is the current status quo? Can't believe people are saying this should be legitimate with a straight face.

As mentioned, class 4. Thats lower class and it should be feasible for any size entity to live in WH. Forcing huge groups is bad and taking away the best tool for creating content is bad too.

Just tell me, who will replace the people that will leave when they get wiped out 3 times and get tired of ti? What content will you have? BU? HK? ADhoc? Azt? And WHO ELSE, thers 2500 WHs and sole aim of this is to force small groups out. That is everything in C4 and under + lots of c5.
Surely craetes content. Or did you miss all the negativity from all sizes of groups here, people who DO LIVE in wormhole.

You dont have the battleships that often in low class yes, but time needed to clear sites is really low. Im not sure about melted drop rate, but C1-C3 yields crapton of wrecks to salvage.

These points have already been made by many, however I will add my own 2 cents.

1. Rage Rolling is the only way to reliably create PVP in high class wormholes.

This change won't stop larger groups from rolling, in fact we are already certain of how we will do it if these changes go live. This change will hurt the smaller groups (which we really aren't at this stage) as they will be unable to roll away from entities like Hard Knocks, Lazerhawks, NOHO et all.

This means these smaller groups, who would normally log on scout and close holes before PVE'ing will now log on, scout the hole and log off. There is no maybe when it comes to whether they will lose their rolling ships. They will lose them and the hole will remain open.

Instead of an active PVE fleet which can then be rolled into and ganked we have fewer active players in Wormholes.

While it won't stop us from rolling this change will make it take more time. Changes that make the game more tedious are not good for anyone.


2. Being unable to properly position ships on jumping removes decisions from the hands of players.

This one is pretty straightforward, but it'll make it much harder to co-ordinate caps when jumping in. Defenders are already at an advantage (unless it's EXIT vs NOHO you glorious b******s!) and this will just further cement the advantage.


3. Kiting doctrines will continue to be unpopular.

Any kiting doctrine is doomed with this change. They're all low mass.

Lets please see some variety, doing the opposite of the proposed change will let other metas thrive in wormhole space. There are doctrines that have never been seen in Wormholes due to the current mechanics favouring armour so much. Lets see low mass stuff (or even high velocity at time of jump) end up far enough from the WH to start kiting.

I want to see Rail Tengu fleets, nano Ishtars and Arty Tornados running around and shaking things up.

In all Traiori summed it up better than I can. All his points are valid concerns and this suggested change is in the wrong direction.

We all appreciate the Devs giving Wormhole space attention, we'd just like to be listened to on this one.

Sorry? How is this a benefit? Is having ships locked out and destroyed going to encourage seeking meaningful contact and content? One may as well have jumping through a wormhole randomly engage the self destruct with no off button.
It's not like you can just take another gate or cyno home you know.

I'm sure many people have already said this one, but here goes:

Making capitals slowboat some 20km back to a wormhole to roll it just adds complexity to something that doesn't need it. If we can assume that the hole being closed is quiet, this just adds time and annoyance or the need to webbing alts and the use of a tactical or fleet member 200km or more from the hole. Any way you can look at that, it involves lots of slowboating of ships (either a cloaked ship for the bounce, or the capital itself) for the same result we have now. In the effect there are enemies on the other side, the hole just became a barrier to PVE play, and with the risk versus reward calculations, including potentially lost pods in there, might as well just leave it and log for the night, try again tomorrow. There isn't any "emergent gameplay" there. It's just downsides, not benefits. It will result in less combat trying to roll holes as suddenly it's not worth the risk to drop the ships to roll that hostile hole with the knowledge that anything going through will be scattered and out of mutual support range, and rendered easy pickings by the defenders. Spider tanked battleships for C4s and under are just as useless in this case as capitals are for C5s and C6s. Dropping a group of guardians in to keep the rolling ships alive, throwing the ISK risked even more towards the wasteful end of that equation, just makes for a more tedious process, and still doesn't guarantee success. Just means more folks will be playing Elder Scrolls Online, or World of Tanks, or anything but EVE cause EVE just went from "dangerous but worth it" to "why do we bother anymore?"

The inverse mass solution many have proposed would make more sense. It also doesn't make Orcas pointless for wormhole use, as the hauling end of things is now easily accomplished using deep space transports, and only the mass of an Orca makes it useful. (Because no one in their right mind mines ore in a wormhole anymore.)

It's a risk/profit game, what's wrong with it? If they can't tolerate risk/cover expenses, someone more capable/tolerant will take their place. WHs still produce insane amount of profits, they won't stay unattended. And you needn't to live there actually, it was designed as a place for expeditions in the first place. If you can't adapt to living there, then revert to simply visiting occasionally.

I have had another thought - what is the expected impact on new WH residents, especially young players?
who we ARE trying to encourage, (I hope!)

EDIT:
I will also add, that this doesn't affect my alt who lives in a WH corp, as we never roll our holes for content - in fact - this favours us - as it means that everyone else who tries to roll their hole will either get bored and log (we're pretty good at classic WH guerrilla warfare.....) or simply not bother opening it in the first place; which for us is kind of a win win - because we prefer no content; just because we're good, doesn't mean we like it.

I'm sure this is not what you were intending CCP.......

Sorry, you are misinformed, although large amounts of profits can be obtained, the majority of wormhole space is not so fortunate, and to earn the large incomes one has large costs, the more profitable enterprises are somewhat expensive to equip for, and somewhat expensive to replace when they go boom, and they do go boom in such a pretty manner.
And as for visiting from kspace to escalate sites, that might prove to be somewhat unprofitable, as the journey would be unlikely to have both an in and back.

This is either an elaborate troll or written by someone who understands nothing about wormholes and the community that lives in them. I haven't figured out which.