EVE General Discussion

The reason why she shows an image of the real Carmen in her bio
can be understood when she shows you what her avatar is hiding behind clothes.
It's not really nice to look at. And no we never were friends.


Hi Mag's! Glad you come for a visit!
How're you doing? (:

Well, at least now it's a Mag's thread, so I don't have to feel like I derailed it with my analogy earlier.

Ehh...**** it. Derailment is the best thing that could have happened to this.

I can think of way more things that make EVE a niche game than that. For instance, that it was designed as a niche game in the first place.

Second, and this is a big one, that it's a sandbox. Barring Minecraft, most sandbox games are niche games by default. Most gamers want to be told what to do by the game.

More people do not necessarily make for a better experience.
In light of that, I will ask: bigger and better how?

I expect an answer along the lines of "I don't know...just...ya know...bigger and better". If that's all you've got, your statement lacks substance, and you should :getout: However, please, feel free to smash my expectations.

I'd agree with this in relation to PvE players.

But what Ramona McCandless said, I can see appealing to PvP players more.




Edit: That explains why when trying to include Ramona's comment I couldn't as you had edited it out, but it just hadn't updated at the time.






Edit 2: The original referenced quote,

Okay, I'll bite.
First: for all of the blustering that people do about wanting to see the death of Goons, I see little real attempt at it. PGL put it best when he basically said, and I'm paraphrasing a bit, that most of you are all a bunch of sackless whiners, who would rather cry about the CFC than to get organized and try to take it down. Something about :effort: and herding cats.
Second: I've only been a member of the GSF for a couple of weeks, and it's already been the most fun I've ever had in Eve. You know why? A bunch of awesome, hilarious people, with far less of the spergy bullshit I've had to deal with everywhere else. See, that's what you don't get. The power of the CFC comes from it's numbers, and it's numbers stay high because they aren't a bunch of autistic shitweasels.
Third: you act as if out of all of the new people who come in, all of them would want to see the fall of the CFC, rather than joining it. Odds are, you're way off base.

Goons suck. Grrr goons, and so on.

EVE, as it is in the world of gaming, is an extreme sport. Now don't get me wrong, some people love skydiving, but those same people won't all love base jumping. They'll think it's too low for them. Most of those people might give it a look and leave without complaint. But what happens when someone comes along and asks for base jumping to be safer and less extreme?

So what do base jumpers do when someone comes along and says, "Guys, shouldn't we be jumping from higher up?" They'll tell him to htfu and jump or **** off.

EVE is base jumping. HTFU or **** off.

Well that is a nice passive aggressive trap you laid there. If I give generalizations you will just give a nice I told you so. But what you really want are specifics so you can level your guns, aim for the water line, and shoot it full of holes. But I don't really care, because I know the following ideas will work.

More people do make for a better experience and here is why. More subs equals more revenue. More revenue equals more devs. More devs equals more rebalancing, ships, features etc. More people also make the economy more robust and lead to more "content."

Here is how you do that. The entire new player system needs to be redone. It needs a dedicated area with live CCP guidance and hard limits to prevent griefers and scammers from toying with them. It needs something like a voice or video interface instead of a boring ass text box. That may have been ok 10 years ago but it comes off as half assed in 2014. Frankly it came off as half assed in 2009 when I first played.

So much of this game seems like window dressing for text based menus and clunky interfaces. That all needs to be redone in more graphically engaging ways. NPCs need voices and animated avatars rather than text.

Then you need to fix player aggro mechanics. A player dropping a container should NEVER have to flag himself for combat by accessing something he dropped. That mechanic serves no purpose other than can flipping, which primarily affects new players in highsec. The penalties for ganking in highsec then need to be seriously increased. It should remain technically possible to gank, but incredibly unprofitable. Players with bad standing should be hunted relentlessly in highsec by Concord and kill rights should never expire. They should also be a physical item that can be traded through contracts or a market. If you want to pirate people the place for that is low or null. If you do it too much in highsec you should be effectively banned.

Then wardecs need changing. They need to be even more expensive, and there should be no legal war fighting in highsec, at all.

Missions and PvP need to be way more sophisticated. Some actual AI would be nice, as opposed to the lame aggro mechanics we have now. That nonsense is a major snore fest that is won in the fitting window. Blizzard seems to be able to make AI in starcraft that can destroy players. A fleet of rats should have a similar advantage.

Then you need to solve the nullsec arms race. Capital ships (to start with) need serious upkeep costs. This whole idea of 10 mile long ships floating around with nary a penny spent on keeping it operating is ridiculous. This is why they are so prevalent. Well hell, the US Navy would have 200 aircraft carriers if it only took one person to operate them and no one had to keep an eye on it. Supercaps need a serious practical limit to their usefulness though significant construction and upkeep costs. That would inhibit fleets of them from just sitting around, for free, for months at a time, waiting to be deployed at full combat readiness. They should always be in game, and should take resources to keep in fighting shape.

I have more but this is already a wall of text.

This will upset a lot of entrenched interests, but it will attract more people in the long run and make this a healthier game. The degenerates affected will find other rackets, of this I am sure. However, right now they are feeding in an area that suppresses the entire game by choking the inflow of new players. This has to be stopped. Reform in North Korea will hurt the Kim's and those closest to them, but the country will be better off. The sandbox will continue to exist.

So, Shizuken, you want Trammel.

Do you not know how that went for Ultima Online?