EVE General Discussion

Yeah I know that and I'm completely on your side with this.



You need to apply the proper perspective.


CCP has no choice than to do something. First of all, because change is always necessary.
Second, because change simply is always necessary and third,
because they can't just leave a situation the way it is.

It's simply bad business.


What they have done for years though,
is give the whiners something that shuts them up,
while often actually also introducing negative side effects.

Like can flipping. *snickers* xD


The lowslot changes aren't bad at all. They're useless, yes, but everybody knows that,
except the haters who keep crying. They, once again, are shut up,
until the next generation emerges.


The important part is to make sure that no matter what change is coming,
people always remember and know that "just one little tweak" is what we had enough of already.


Permakilling freighters simply will lead to them being changed. That's just how the game works.
That's how CCP works. It's a necessity. Same with the mining ships.

These aren't game breaking changes and they don't "raise security a bit",
because people are - as mentioned above - daft as **** anyway.


CCP knows that. Believe me. (:

"Freighter", singular.

Only one of the ones destroyed in the Aufay event had a proper tank fitted.

I saw 3 looking at the killboards, assuming that definition means 3 bulkheads. Also the number doesn't matter since the point was made at the first one.

Lets also not forget that common hauling wisdom prior to this was simply don't haul more than 2x your gank cost.

It was the standard. Past tense. It was the standard until the freighter pilots' whimpering cries reached critical mass to have the devs give them the ability to fit a tank like they claimed they wanted.

Now, we have a point to make.

No they run with 1 other guy who webs them in to a 2 second align time like all of the other high-value haulers that don't get ganked.

The freighters are getting ganked mostly for economic reasons.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

Please note that lots of people think it does, including gankers of course.

Pretty much. With effective webber placement getting the webs to land in time is a trivial issue & a freighter moving in such a way is essentially impossible to bump intentionally.

Here is a nice demonstration & note that freighter gankers have been telling people about this for years. It takes 2 accounts or 1 friend to pull off.

I didn't read all the posts forgive me...

1. Why not use the Frogs to move stuff. (They do great work, so you don't have to)
2. Why not use a scout to make sure your not going to get ganked
3. Why not just pay the code (that might not have helped in this case but still) its chump change
Ya I know my my writing skills suck.

Ok last thing,

In real life you can get ganked anywhere u go, why not in eve?

Forgive my sucky writing skills will read the rest of posts in bed to nite and may edit this

(TL:DR In real life you can get ganked anywhere u go, why not in eve?)

This.

They Are organized. They really are, and their techniques are exemplary, contrary to the AFK freighter pilots stupidity who don't remain at keyboard, fail to scout the route and then ask CCP to fix their safety.


Correct.

I don't always compare RL and EVE, but real freighters navigating near the coast of Somalia often bring armed guards (like this huge containership at this moment) are constantly in contact with NATO's navy forces while keeping an eye on their surroundings, using binoculars and RADAR at ALL times. In other words, they care about their safety, their assets and ship.

Considering Aufay is in fact very similar to that dangerous coast at the moment, why EVE should be any different? Plus, it's in space, supposed to be a lot more dangerous than sea.

Also, this thread

Momentarily distracted by a juvenile skunk wandering the fenceline at work. Kept wondering if the great horned owl on top of the lightpost was going to gank it or not. In this case the owl chose wisely.

EVE is a dark place, and bad things happen to people who don't exercise reasonable caution in what they do, be it market trading, scams, exploring, mining, mission running or hauling. While I would never stoop to victim-blaming in RL, as I consider it despicable, in EVE you do have to shoulder the burden of the consequences of your own inactions. Failing to take measures to help ensure your own safety such as maintaining situational awareness, properly equipping for a task, and using teamwork results in bad things happening.

When Bad Things happen, more often than not they could have been prevented. You can try to blame the ones who did the Bad Thing, but in reality you carry the lion's share of the blame. This isn't like other MMO's where the bad guys are generally ineffective and usually comically absurd. Here they are out to do your space pixels real harm, and if you don't do anything to prevent it they will do just that.

Expecting CCP or CONCORD to help protect you from yourself is unreasonable, and unfair to those who do take the time and effort to ensure their own safety.