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Arthur Aihaken

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#81 - 2014-05-04 00:36:43 UTC

Gogela wrote:

No way... I bet the number of unrigged freighters, especially in highsec, is more like 70%. People who can afford jump freighters typically use them. If they are flying a T1 freighter than the chances are a lot higher that's all they can afford, and cap rigs aren't cheap. 20% of jumpfreighter unrigged? probably less than that. 20% of freighters? Way more than that.

So freighters are getting a fuel use and cargo capacity nerf then...

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Gogela

Epic Ganking Time

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#82 - 2014-05-04 00:43:18 UTC | Edited by: Gogela

Arthur Aihaken wrote:

Gogela wrote:

So freighters are getting a fuel use and cargo capacity nerf then...

I hadn't heard about fuel use, but yah they are getting a cargo capacity nerf. 2 cap cargohold optimizations = slightly above the cargo capacity they have now. 3 cargo rigs bump it up to around 1.5 million m3 capacity @ V. With regards to fuel nerf... meh who cares? So it's more expensive to jump... if they nerfed jump range, that would be another matter.

Feyrin wrote:

Just confirmed by fozzie anything that does not fit in a freighter now will have volume increased so that it does not fit after changes. A fully rigged freighter with cargo rigs will have a larger capacity than currently.

Feyrin wrote:

It is a complete rebalance so all stats are being looked at. There may also be new capital rigs specifically for freighter which open up new game play possibilities

Feyrin wrote:

No anything you cannot carry now you cannot carry afterwards because the volume will be increased.

^ looks like this guy is actually talking to fozzie. Everything I know is hearsay.

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Liam Inkuras Furnace IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Likes received: 1,645	#83 - 2014-05-04 01:33:51 UTC Confirming everything posted above me was actually discussed today with Fozzie 1on1 at the round table for a good chunk of time. I wear my goggles at night. Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

Dxella

African Atomic.

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#84 - 2014-05-10 10:35:27 UTC | Edited by: Dxella

ZehNarume wrote:

Clem Dals wrote:

Hairpins Blueprint wrote:

CCP Ytterbium wrote:

I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec.

wonder if you could hauld lvl 5 sov upgrades with JF's now?

I would think so.

A Rhea at 367,969m3 base with skills at level 5 should be able to hit 577,497m3 with 3 Tech 2 Cargohold Optimization rigs.
A Charon at 981,250m3 base will skills at level 5 should be at 1,539,991m3 with 3 Tech 2 Cargohold Optimization rigs.

If my napkin math is correct, and nothing else changes ;)

A Rhea is a tech 2 ship, therefore it will only have 2 rig slots.

yes and also, he didnt include Calibration costs.

T1 Capital Cargohold Optimization rigs takes 100 cal each
T2 Capital Cargohold Optimization rigs takes 150 cal each

Most ships if not all have a set calibration at 400.
so you will only be able to fit 2x Tech 2 and 1x Tech 1 Capital Cargohold Optimization rig on a regular Freigther.

Also for the No dreads, carriers and rorq's in HS. Thats easy to fix,
they will just increase the repackaged m3 amount of the capitals,
that way a freigther will not be able to carry them and aswell they should not take more m3 in storage arrays in POS's.
Unless recently built, but they could just increase the repackaged m3 by the dubble and it wouldnt be to big issue.

Rivr Luzade

Coreli Corporation

Pandemic Legion

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#85 - 2014-05-10 10:49:01 UTC | Edited by: Rivr Luzade

Btw... I noticed that the other day on the JF: Why don't they have the normal racial T2 resistance profile? A Zealot has with some skills 50/35/60/80. The Ark 50/35/25/28, which is only better in the Explo department compared to the Providence.

Why does this inconsistency exist?

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baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#86 - 2014-05-10 11:24:10 UTC

Rivr Luzade wrote:

Its a capital, adding more resists results in huge buffs to its ehp.


Rivr Luzade Coreli Corporation Pandemic Legion Likes received: 3,087	#87 - 2014-05-10 11:31:20 UTC JF don't have most of their HP in Shield or Armor. UI Improvement Collective My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.


baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#88 - 2014-05-10 11:46:05 UTC Rivr Luzade wrote: JF don't have most of their HP in Shield or Armor. Doesnt matter, it would still be a big jump.


Rivr Luzade Coreli Corporation Pandemic Legion Likes received: 3,087	#89 - 2014-05-10 11:53:58 UTC Is that a problem? UI Improvement Collective My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.


baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#90 - 2014-05-10 12:02:28 UTC Rivr Luzade wrote: Is that a problem? Yes it is.


Rivr Luzade Coreli Corporation Pandemic Legion Likes received: 3,087	#91 - 2014-05-10 12:07:14 UTC How so? UI Improvement Collective My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.


baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#92 - 2014-05-10 12:10:00 UTC Well for one these ships would become all but ungankable.


Rivr Luzade Coreli Corporation Pandemic Legion Likes received: 3,087	#93 - 2014-05-10 12:13:09 UTC I don't see that. It would require more ships to gank them. Is that a problem? UI Improvement Collective My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

NEONOVUS

Mindstar Technology

Goonswarm Federation

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#94 - 2014-05-10 12:37:34 UTC

Rivr Luzade wrote:

I don't see that. It would require more ships to gank them. Is that a problem?

Yes
His current or previous technique involved catalyst swarms
They work great but need a lot of people or isoboxers
Due to this saying something like 20% more catalysts makes him wheep at night
Saying 60% more gives him convulsions and these weird veiny lumps
Do not trust him, he seeks to make you love being ganked (please trust him, I want to have you courier stuff and die to him, again and again and again...)

epicurus ataraxia

Illusion of Solitude.

Illusion of Solitude

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#95 - 2014-05-10 13:19:18 UTC | Edited by: epicurus ataraxia

Arya Regnar wrote:

Disgusting, lets just remove suicide ganking all together and ban everyone who isnt a carebear from highsec right?

Seems more like less free loot, and cheap kills?
Is that a problem for anyone other than those who want it easy?
Those who are good at the profession of Ganking will still continue, and still do well.
Ganking just ceases to be the low hanging fruit.

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Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#96 - 2014-05-10 13:55:30 UTC

epicurus ataraxia wrote:

Arya Regnar wrote:

Disgusting, lets just remove suicide ganking all together and ban everyone who isnt a carebear from highsec right?

If ganking is so easy and profitable, why aren't there more people doing it? The amount of ganking is already quite low (compared to the numbers of freighters travelling), so there is really no need for more nerfs.

Rivr Luzade

Coreli Corporation

Pandemic Legion

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#97 - 2014-05-10 14:05:12 UTC | Edited by: Rivr Luzade

Oh, there definitely is more need to nerf ganking. Blink

All the nerfs and "Incentives to move" imposed on industrialists create more than enough room for compensation in other departments. Besides, it would not even be a nerf to ganking, it would just be an incentive for more cooperation and more team work on their part. That's nice to have. Smile

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Second Sons

Brave United

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#98 - 2014-05-12 14:10:24 UTC

Still eagerly awaiting a Featers & Ideas Discussion forum post with the details for upcoming freighter rigs. Since we have less than a month left before the planned deployment of 'Kronos'.

it would be great to know the plans for the T1 freighters and T2 Jump freighters regarding:
- Number of rig slots per hull
- Calibration Points available per hull
- Likely planned freighter stat changes for balancing and the issue of packaged capital ships highsec.

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Marcus Iunius Brutus Hoborg Labs Likes received: 45	#99 - 2014-05-13 07:02:27 UTC CCP Ytterbium wrote: I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec. CCP Ytterbium, what size are the rigs for freighters going to be?

Horse Feathers CAStabouts 276
Fronkfurter McSheebleton Horse Feathers CAStabouts Likes received: 276	#100 - 2014-05-13 09:04:34 UTC Dave Stark wrote: Kosetzu wrote: Marcus Iunius Brutus wrote: What size are rigs for freighters going to be? Capital or large? Likely Capital. actually, i'd put money on large. like the orca. The orca isn't technically a capital, though... thhief ghabmoef