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Rigs on Freighters, Carriers and Dreads in Hisec?

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Clem Dals
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-05-02 20:08:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Clem Dals
So with the new ability to be able to rig freighters, they will be able to cross the threshold of 1 million m3, and therefore be able to take packaged carriers and dreadnoughts into hisec. Has this been considered and will the rules relating to capital ships in hisec be changed?
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2 - 2014-05-02 20:15:33 UTC
probably not, but if so, you still can't use carriers/dreads in hisec anyway (lest ye be cast off to the farthest reaches of the dronelands*)



*not really, but you do get thrown to lowsec.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Clem Dals
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-05-02 20:18:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Clem Dals
Here's the link to the current rules regarding capitals in hisec, you could technically rat with them, assign fighters to ratters, etc, or in Chribba's case, mine with them. But assuming that they become much more available, there will be a large amount of people who are unaware of the current rules, and therefor break them.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6372&find=unread

Edit: I'm assuming that since most that are in hisec are from CCP/GM mistakes, or are very old, and the rules are in place because of that fact. In keeping with the nature of the sandbox, I would think that if now anyone has the capability of moving a capital ship to hisec, that you should be able to do whatever you want with it. Either that, or increase the packaged volume of carriers and dreads to prevent them from being able to fit.
Legion40k
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#4 - 2014-05-02 20:20:11 UTC
they mentioned overhauling freighters in general, so it's safe to assume they're going to nerf freighter cargoholds so you can't get up over the 1million m3 mark with full cargohold rigs
CCP Ytterbium
C C P
C C P Alliance
#5 - 2014-05-02 20:21:02 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Ytterbium
I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2014-05-02 20:23:12 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec.

Sweet jesus I was scared for a minute. Its hard living off of second-hand info from fanfest.
Hairpins Blueprint
The Northerners
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2014-05-02 20:23:22 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec.



wonder if you could hauld lvl 5 sov upgrades with JF's now?
Clem Dals
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-05-02 20:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Clem Dals
Hairpins Blueprint wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec.



wonder if you could hauld lvl 5 sov upgrades with JF's now?


I would think so.

A Rhea at 367,969m3 base with skills at level 5 should be able to hit 518,306m3 with 2 Tech 2 Cargohold Optimization rigs.
A Charon at 981,250m3 base will skills at level 5 should be at 1,539,991m3 with 3 Tech 2 Cargohold Optimization rigs.

If my napkin math is correct, and nothing else changes ;)

Edit: Fixed Rhea
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2014-05-02 20:39:48 UTC
Hairpins Blueprint wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec.



wonder if you could hauld lvl 5 sov upgrades with JF's now?

If I'm hearing this right, they'll most likely nerf the hold so that you can't get more cargo then you could before. Theyre now just giving you options to use.
Clem Dals
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-05-02 20:46:26 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Hairpins Blueprint wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec.



wonder if you could hauld lvl 5 sov upgrades with JF's now?

If I'm hearing this right, they'll most likely nerf the hold so that you can't get more cargo then you could before. Theyre now just giving you options to use.


I'd be really sad if that were the case. The increased cargo hold would offset a good chunk of the cost increase in jump fuel and keep null-sec flowing a lot more like it is now.
ZehNarume
Pulling The Plug
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#11 - 2014-05-02 20:54:30 UTC
Clem Dals wrote:
Hairpins Blueprint wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec.



wonder if you could hauld lvl 5 sov upgrades with JF's now?


I would think so.

A Rhea at 367,969m3 base with skills at level 5 should be able to hit 577,497m3 with 3 Tech 2 Cargohold Optimization rigs.
A Charon at 981,250m3 base will skills at level 5 should be at 1,539,991m3 with 3 Tech 2 Cargohold Optimization rigs.

If my napkin math is correct, and nothing else changes ;)


A Rhea is a tech 2 ship, therefore it will only have 2 rig slots.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#12 - 2014-05-02 20:58:47 UTC
Clem Dals wrote:
I'd be really sad if that were the case. The increased cargo hold would offset a good chunk of the cost increase in jump fuel and keep null-sec flowing a lot more like it is now.

The only way to prevent this is to increase the mass of carriers and dreadnoughts. So I think it's more likely that we see a nerf in cargo capacity, ie: rigging cargohold expanders will return you to pre-rig levels, but running anything else like hyperspacial or hull rigs will see you with less cargo space.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Tharin Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#13 - 2014-05-02 21:00:27 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Hairpins Blueprint wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec.

wonder if you could hauld lvl 5 sov upgrades with JF's now?

If I'm hearing this right, they'll most likely nerf the hold so that you can't get more cargo then you could before. Theyre now just giving you options to use.
Possible, but it could also mean that packaged dreads/carriers will be on the smuggling list that NPC navies scan for. Freighter wouldn't stand a chance on gate. Or they could just be flicking a switch that says 'if there's a packaged X capital in the hold, disallow gate jump.' The switch exists for capitals already, it could temporarily reclass the freighter to not be capable of making gate jumps into hi. Many possibilities. But an important question to get answered.
Feyrin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-05-02 21:09:43 UTC
They will just increase the volume of packaged capitals to 2 million m3 its the easiest fix.
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-05-02 21:30:04 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec.


What about supers in wormholes?

Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff?
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#16 - 2014-05-02 21:37:26 UTC
You just HAD to put this on eveo didnt you :/
Anogra
Heisenberg Productions
#17 - 2014-05-02 21:41:49 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Hairpins Blueprint wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec.



wonder if you could hauld lvl 5 sov upgrades with JF's now?

If I'm hearing this right, they'll most likely nerf the hold so that you can't get more cargo then you could before. Theyre now just giving you options to use.


what this guy said. time to put trimarks on our allready fast freigthers to deterr gankers abit xD

Anogra
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#18 - 2014-05-02 21:45:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
as someone who has been against freighters getting rigs in the past, i am really interested in what they are going to do with this.

if current stats arent changed to compensate, u can get freighters with 60 - 70% increase in tank with the same capacity as now, and only a slight nerf to speed.

or a 50 - 70% buff to capacity and a slight nerf to armour. so will JF's be carrying almost as much as T1 freighters can now?

its a big buff. one i didnt think freighters needed. nor did i think they needed a nerf if the stats are changed. And if its in response to freighters getting ganked by goons, it wont stop ppl ganking, and it wont stop ppl complaining on the forums when they get ganked. looking forward to the thread.

edit-

and what a thread

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Master Odysseus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-05-02 22:18:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Master Odysseus
Who freaking cares about the extra cargo (although tbh nice to have). The most important thing is safety (aka EHP in our case) and the thing that the orca can get to... what? 0,5 mil EHP while a freighter, the biggest meanest most expensive and skill intesified cargo vessel in Eve gets what? 200k+ EHP? - We are training some useless mining freakin skills in our hauler alts because orca does the job better than our freakin freighter. So what? They won't need 6 talos to kill us, they will need 7, big f*cking deal.

Give 1 low slot to freighters to at least add a freaking DCU.

Edit: Other than that, excellent keynotes, keep up the good work (lol)
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2014-05-02 22:36:20 UTC
Master Odysseus wrote:
Who freaking cares about the extra cargo (although tbh nice to have). The most important thing is safety (aka EHP in our case) and the thing that the orca can get to... what? 0,5 mil EHP while a freighter, the biggest meanest most expensive and skill intesified cargo vessel in Eve gets what? 200k+ EHP? - We are training some useless mining freakin skills in our hauler alts because orca does the job better than our freakin freighter. So what? They won't need 6 talos to kill us, they will need 7, big f*cking deal.

Give 1 low slot to freighters to at least add a freaking DCU.

Edit: Other than that, excellent keynotes, keep up the good work (lol)

considering the new hull rigs....

make that 8 talos
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