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A message regarding vandalism of the EVE Universe Monument

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Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2014-05-07 17:31:30 UTC
mkint wrote:
Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?


In real world (where the monument resides), actions actually have consequences. You want to turn yourself in? Good for having a spine. Want to run away forever? Coward.
Graabeerd Khagah
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#62 - 2014-05-07 17:35:42 UTC
Justice is being served, irregardless and this I applaud CCP for stepping in and dealing with this matter of importance, and to our community it's a resolve that will go down in history. Let it be recorded in history, that CCP, it's staff, partners and most of all this WONDERFUL COMMUNITY that I proudly represent to the world at large.

On behalf of ImaNicePirate.com and [DOGE], this act of vandalism will not be tolerated, or any other act against this community will NOT be tolerated in the future.

@CCP Falcon, you have my corp's word that we will ever be so vigilant, we will ever so protect the things that makes up this community known as Eveonline.

Admiral Graabeerd Khagan, CEO
ImaNicePirate.comPiratePiratePirate
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#63 - 2014-05-07 17:36:18 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Another individual who was indirectly involved in the vandalism has received a 6 month ban from EVE Online on their sole registered account.

The four individuals involved are also blacklisted permanently from attending future Fanfest events


I am wondering with the one "Indirectly involved" why are they also receiving a perm ban on fanfest? I can see the 6 months account ban as one thing, but also perm banning them for being "indirectly involved" from fanfest seems a tad overly harsh, it's not like that person can even play eve for the next 6 months.

or is that the person who put a sticker on the monument?
Arrith
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2014-05-07 17:38:44 UTC
mkint wrote:
Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?


I disagree. Perma-banned at the least is the best option for this situation. Just because they came forward and admitted to what they did while drunk (do we know they were drunk?) does not make what they did any less serious.

Plus if they were drunk, maybe they shouldn't drink if they cannot control themselves.
Innominate
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#65 - 2014-05-07 17:43:21 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
In real world (where the monument resides), actions actually have consequences. You want to turn yourself in? Good for having a spine. Want to run away forever? Coward.


In the real world, turning yourself in generally results in leniency.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#66 - 2014-05-07 17:45:23 UTC
Innominate wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
In real world (where the monument resides), actions actually have consequences. You want to turn yourself in? Good for having a spine. Want to run away forever? Coward.


In the real world, turning yourself in generally results in leniency.

Maybe leniency was already applied? We. Will. Never. Know.

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New Mining Mechanics
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#67 - 2014-05-07 17:46:38 UTC
Innominate wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
In real world (where the monument resides), actions actually have consequences. You want to turn yourself in? Good for having a spine. Want to run away forever? Coward.


In the real world, turning yourself in generally results in leniency.


And unless CCP is pressing criminal charges, I would say they have been exactly that.

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler
Dominous Nolen
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#68 - 2014-05-07 18:01:35 UTC
It was terrible to hear that this happened, but glad you guys were able to find the person(s) responsible.

@dominousnolen

"Fly dangerously, Fly safe, Fly whatever, just keep Flying." - Lee Blackwood
Josef Djugashvilis
#69 - 2014-05-07 18:05:25 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Random Interrupt wrote:
This is why we can't have nice things.


On the contrary; this is why we can have them.


i know this is off topic but you left the CFC? You are not quitting the game are you?


My subscriptions are currently cancelled.


Surely the Kronos expansion cannot be that bad Shocked

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Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
#70 - 2014-05-07 18:06:06 UTC
All Hail The BanHammer!

I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence.....
Innominate
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#71 - 2014-05-07 18:10:56 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Innominate wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
In real world (where the monument resides), actions actually have consequences. You want to turn yourself in? Good for having a spine. Want to run away forever? Coward.


In the real world, turning yourself in generally results in leniency.

Maybe leniency was already applied? We. Will. Never. Know.


Well in this case a permaban is not leniency except for someone who lives in Iceland. You are correct though that it's entirely possible there were people only distantly involved who weren't punished and that the six month ban is for the one who did turn themselves in while the permabans are for the ones who didn't. The CCP statement can be read either way.
Dave Stark
#72 - 2014-05-07 18:14:24 UTC
if people came forward to rat them out, people know who they are.

names will come out, eventually.
Darkblad
Doomheim
#73 - 2014-05-07 18:15:08 UTC
Thanks for keeping uns informed, Falcon. Also thanks for
CCP Falcon wrote:
and the identities of those responsible will remain confidential.
It saddens me that it's actually three (plus one) persons who showed this lack of respect, sense and all (that my non-native english expression skills lack to point out). But still, that's nothing compared to the community as a whole.

NPE – ISD – RIP
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#74 - 2014-05-07 18:18:35 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
if people came forward to rat them out, people know who they are.

names will come out, eventually.


Why would anyone care who they are now? It's not like they're coming back here.

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Dave Stark
#75 - 2014-05-07 18:19:56 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
if people came forward to rat them out, people know who they are.

names will come out, eventually.


Why would anyone care who they are now? It's not like they're coming back here.


curiosity.
Hasan al-Askari Mujahideen
Khyber
#76 - 2014-05-07 18:21:17 UTC
so it was not just one person involved.... wow
JEFFRAIDER
THIGH GUYS
#77 - 2014-05-07 18:22:18 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
if people came forward to rat them out, people know who they are.

names will come out, eventually.


Why would anyone care who they are now? It's not like they're coming back here.


wanna **** shame them
Masayo Gowa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#78 - 2014-05-07 18:23:47 UTC
great to hear that the guilty party's have been found and punished in a way CCP see's fit for the crime they comitted.

and thanks such a quick response :)
Aryndel Vyst
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2014-05-07 18:28:45 UTC
Will I get in trouble if I request to have someone scratch my name out of the monument for being loosely associated with Xenuria?
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#80 - 2014-05-07 18:32:33 UTC
mkint wrote:
Bjurn Akely wrote:
mkint wrote:

You've never done something stupid IRL to impress your friends? When you do inevitably do something stupid to impress your friends in the future, now that there's a precedence of the consequences for honesty, are you going to come clean?


Yes. It even went to the prosecutor. But that was not in any way related to eve. In fact it was back in the -80's.

What's your point?

The point is, if the penalties for honesty is a harsh punishment, and the penalty for lying is, well, nothing, would you be honest?
Yes. For there is only one responsible for my actions, namely me.
Even if I wasn't aware of the consequences or possible later repercussions at the time of those actions.

And I have done some (in hindsight) rather stupid things irl....Oops

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)