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A message regarding vandalism of the EVE Universe Monument

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JP Nakamura
Union of Intergalactic Miners and Nano Assemblers
#101 - 2014-05-07 19:59:56 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
CCP should have performed an Ancient Babylonia move - "An eye for an eye."

Since they know who the real life individuals are and their in-game avatar names, if memory serves me correctly, Iceland is known for their smelting of aluminum, then a plasma cutter should be lying around somewhere. So CCP removes the plates that have their names, cleanly cut out their now banished name, and replace the open spot with a blank.

Unless CCP is already pursuing this route, those real life people unwanted by the Eve community are still apart of the monument's naming structure.



Was actually just wondering about the idea of removing their names from the monument.

At the very least their names should be removed from the database interface for the monument so they can't be "looked up" to figure out where they are.

The only down side to this is that it might indirectly name the toons/accounts/individuals, something CCP is choosing not to do.

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Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#102 - 2014-05-07 20:01:28 UTC
scrambled wrote:
mkint wrote:
Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?


Being drunk is not an excuse for doing stupid things, nor is it a "well thanks for turning yourself in, have a cookie" card. At least those who turned themselves in had some sort of moral compass to aim by, but you won't escape the fact that all actions have consequences. And unfortunately, the consequence here was a permanent ban. They'll have to deal with that.

Maybe an incentive to not get plastered off their faces...

That's not to say that being drunk is an excise. I know plenty of people who got sloshed at FI (self included) and didn't feel the end to deface the monument. Deface my own pride, sure, but a monument? That's low.
TheMasterSenor
Lelaenalem
#103 - 2014-05-07 20:03:41 UTC
The first act of vandalism on this monument was it being in Iceland. AttentionBAZINGAAttention
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#104 - 2014-05-07 20:04:09 UTC

If they turned themselves in, and paid to fix the damage they caused, I'd think a 6-month ban from EvE and a permaban from Fanfest would be appropriate. These are people that paid lots of RL money to travel to fanfest and take part in this game, and most likely have spent significant amounts of time and energy on this game. A permaban is akin to a life sentence away from their major hobby, which seems pretty harsh IMO.

Perhaps maybe a year ban.....

If they don't pay for the damages, or they didn't come forward, I'd recommend the harsher sentence.

Then again, I don't know the details. Perhaps this was particularly egregious, and the harsher sentence is very much called for!!
De Veresse
One Horse Trading
#105 - 2014-05-07 20:07:00 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
[quote=Guttripper]CCP should have performed an Ancient Babylonia move - "An eye for an eye."

Since they know who the real life individuals are and their in-game avatar names, if memory serves me correctly, Iceland is known for their smelting of aluminum, then a plasma cutter should be lying around somewhere. So CCP removes the plates that have their names, cleanly cut out their now banished name, and replace the open spot with a blank.

Unless CCP is already pursuing this route, those real life people unwanted by the Eve community are still apart of the monument's naming structure.


Obviously taking a plasma cutter to a monument created by a famous artist will only improve the piece.





Erm... this is a good point, the obvious thing - and probably quickest/cheapest, is to remove the said plate and remake. Looking at the pictures on the web they look VERY firmly secured and the scratching deep. All I can say is good luck to the poor bugger who has to fix it.

My suggestion is get the child who did the damage to polish them out the old way - with ever finer grades of wet and dry and a final polish with a bit of rouge on a duster, that's a good days work.

Oh, make them do it during winter.
Artyom Estemaire
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2014-05-07 20:08:10 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:


As such, three individuals have been permanently removed from the EVE Community. A total of 7 EVE Online accounts, and 1 DUST 514 account belonging to them have been permanently banned. Another individual who was indirectly involved in the vandalism has received a 6 month ban from EVE Online on their sole registered account.



I feel like I'm missing something, did they catch the people who did this? Were there several persons involved?
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#107 - 2014-05-07 20:15:31 UTC
mkint wrote:
Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?


Being drunk isn't an excuse. I'm glad they got what they deserved. Wish they would have named names so we could all tell them how moronic they were.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#108 - 2014-05-07 20:18:18 UTC
Artyom Estemaire wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:


As such, three individuals have been permanently removed from the EVE Community. A total of 7 EVE Online accounts, and 1 DUST 514 account belonging to them have been permanently banned. Another individual who was indirectly involved in the vandalism has received a 6 month ban from EVE Online on their sole registered account.



I feel like I'm missing something, did they catch the people who did this? Were there several persons involved?

Did you actually read the part you quoted?

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#109 - 2014-05-07 20:23:55 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Artyom Estemaire wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:


As such, three individuals have been permanently removed from the EVE Community. A total of 7 EVE Online accounts, and 1 DUST 514 account belonging to them have been permanently banned. Another individual who was indirectly involved in the vandalism has received a 6 month ban from EVE Online on their sole registered account.



I feel like I'm missing something, did they catch the people who did this? Were there several persons involved?

Did you actually read the part you quoted?


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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#110 - 2014-05-07 20:26:03 UTC
Andski wrote:
how many people does it take to scratch an aluminum plate

four, apparently


The fact that 4 person were involved make it all that much more stupid TBH. None of those 4 person were able to use their brain and think "Maybe that's not a good thing to do.". Either that or it was too much effort to do it alone...

Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
Can you name and shame the characters? Nothing more, just character names. Probably not, but this seems like a situation where identifying the people who did this by their in-game characters would be cool. Name and shame is probably appropriate here.


Beside out of game retaliation which are something nobody should be advocating for, WTF are you gonna do with a character name on a banned account?

The only reason why the person won't be named is to be sure no one goes on a crusade IRL toward them.
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#111 - 2014-05-07 20:26:55 UTC
Good to know we're rid of them.
mkint
#112 - 2014-05-07 20:29:04 UTC
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
Can you name and shame the characters? Nothing more, just character names. Probably not, but this seems like a situation where identifying the people who did this by their in-game characters would be cool. Name and shame is probably appropriate here.

While my curiosity is itching, I don't think that's a good idea. Since they are perma-banned, what could be gained, except harassing their corp/alliance who did the right thing by turning them in?

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Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#113 - 2014-05-07 20:38:03 UTC
mkint wrote:
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
Can you name and shame the characters? Nothing more, just character names. Probably not, but this seems like a situation where identifying the people who did this by their in-game characters would be cool. Name and shame is probably appropriate here.

While my curiosity is itching, I don't think that's a good idea. Since they are perma-banned, what could be gained, except harassing their corp/alliance who did the right thing by turning them in?


People who go around harassing people could eat the banhammer too. This game is good when you have robust villains. People who were nuked for vandalism carries a good amount of infamy.

Also I'm just curious.

And nobody should dog on the corp/alliance because all signs point to them being pretty intolerant of that noise.
Xenuria
#114 - 2014-05-07 21:01:22 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
What steps has CCP taken (or plans to take) to prevent future abuse/vandalism of the monument?

This is something I would also like to know. If something like this happened once than it can potentially happen again.


I also have a question, the people that got banned permanently from EvE; can I have their stuff?

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scrambled
Black Powder Ballistics
Hole Control
#115 - 2014-05-07 21:02:52 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:
scrambled wrote:
mkint wrote:
Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?


Being drunk is not an excuse for doing stupid things, nor is it a "well thanks for turning yourself in, have a cookie" card. At least those who turned themselves in had some sort of moral compass to aim by, but you won't escape the fact that all actions have consequences. And unfortunately, the consequence here was a permanent ban. They'll have to deal with that.

Maybe an incentive to not get plastered off their faces...

That's not to say that being drunk is an excise. I know plenty of people who got sloshed at FI (self included) and didn't feel the end to deface the monument. Deface my own pride, sure, but a monument? That's low.


Well not saying that getting drunk is bad, just that people tend to put any sort of moral inhibitions aside when they are. Been there, done that, got a t-shirt too. It's just that many people will use the "yeah but I was drunk" excuse and expect to be let off without anything happening.

Actions have consequences; I mean, the consequences of you getting totally sloshed are your pride being a tad injured I think (and probably video/photo evidence of it being available too :P) and that's fine, it doesn't hurt anyone else but yourself.

Deciding you're going to **** up a monument because apparently internet spaceships are still serious business.... well. That's not just low, that's really, really, bloody stupid. And I hate that people argue that permanent bans are too harsh because "whoever did it was drunk". So what, they still did it. Live with the consequences I say :D
Guth'Alak
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2014-05-07 21:10:23 UTC
mkint wrote:
Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?

First of all, do you think that someone should be given any leniency just because they were drunk when they commited the crime? and second, isnt it possible that the punishment could have been far worst than what they would have recieved if they hadnt have confessed? in other words - how do you know they didnt go easy on them?
McBorsk
Multispace Technologies Inc
#117 - 2014-05-07 21:12:12 UTC
Well handled.
Ian Morbius
Potomac Greeting Card Company
#118 - 2014-05-07 21:12:43 UTC
They got off easy. Now, these guys not so easy.

Red-zone vandals jailed for two years

Mind you they did, "setting a quake-damaged house alight and destroying tens of thousands of dollars' worth of property at the other homes," and plead guilty to 11 charges of burglary. They're now hard time vandals.


Lady Aesir
Ghost Recon Inc
#119 - 2014-05-07 21:23:13 UTC
Nice speedy and appropriate action by CCP on this issue.

I Hope CCP gets financial restitution from the idiots who caused the damage to cover all repairs to the monument.
CCP Falcon
#120 - 2014-05-07 21:26:53 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
What steps has CCP taken (or plans to take) to prevent future abuse/vandalism of the monument?

This is something I would also like to know. If something like this happened once than it can potentially happen again.


I also have a question, the people that got banned permanently from EvE; can I have their stuff?


We're obviously not going to reveal if, when or what we're going to do in terms of boosting security around the monument, but you can rest assured that we'll make sure that things are covered.

i'm still sick to my stomach that someone would have done this to be perfectly honest, and I'm glad that we were able to solve the situation.


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