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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#81 - 2014-05-07 18:36:31 UTC
Always sad to see that it has to come to bans, but very justified. Hopefully this is a pointer that regardless of how much pilots may dislike others in-game, taking it out of game is taking it too far.

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Migui X'hyrrn
No More Dramas Only Llamas
#82 - 2014-05-07 18:38:05 UTC
I love you so much CCP. Thanks for making this guys learn that real life stupidness has consequences.

The monument is very important as we have our names there and represents the amazing community we have. I'm glad that this individuals are no longer within us.

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Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
#83 - 2014-05-07 18:39:39 UTC
mkint wrote:
Bjurn Akely wrote:
mkint wrote:

You've never done something stupid IRL to impress your friends? When you do inevitably do something stupid to impress your friends in the future, now that there's a precedence of the consequences for honesty, are you going to come clean?


Yes. It even went to the prosecutor. But that was not in any way related to eve. In fact it was back in the -80's.

What's your point?

The point is, if the penalties for honesty is a harsh punishment, and the penalty for lying is, well, nothing, would you be honest?


Honesty is always the best policy. One of the reasons if you say yes I murdered someone and I'm sorry you get slightly less term in prison (plus saving on the court time).
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
#84 - 2014-05-07 18:42:43 UTC
Doesn't matter how horrible someone might be, how much they scammed you, how badly they treated you or podded you, or how much someone is like nails going down a blackboard, scratching out their name on something to commemorate us all is just wrong.

Some people are just plain screwed in the head and hope they write a personal apology to the person involved.
Lady Areola Fappington
#85 - 2014-05-07 18:43:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Areola Fappington
ISD Ezwal wrote:

Yes. For there is only one responsible for my actions, namely me.
Even if I wasn't aware of the consequences or possible later repercussions at the time of those actions.

And I have done some (in hindsight) rather stupid things irl....



Was one of those replying to the "Congratulations, you've been accepted to the ISD CCL team!"


I kid, I kid. The people who defaced the monument pretty much showed themselves to not be interested in being a member of the EVE community. Permaban was the appropriate way to handle it.

If you want to express your displeasure with someone, be a grownup about it and violence their space canoe in game. Don't be a child and deface something that represents all of us, even if said thing is kind of silly.

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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#86 - 2014-05-07 18:45:06 UTC
Galen Darksmith wrote:

And unless CCP is pressing criminal charges, I would say they have been exactly that.



If they did it would not be possible to keep the identities of the persons accused confidential. Same if they filed a civil suit against them.
Random Interrupt
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2014-05-07 18:49:08 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Random Interrupt wrote:
This is why we can't have nice things.


On the contrary; this is why we can have them.

Fair enough. CCP's response is perfect and I haven't seen anyone in the community support the actions of the vandals. So, I guess maybe we can have nice things.

I just hope I get to see it in person one day.
mkint
#88 - 2014-05-07 18:51:45 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
mkint wrote:
Bjurn Akely wrote:
mkint wrote:

You've never done something stupid IRL to impress your friends? When you do inevitably do something stupid to impress your friends in the future, now that there's a precedence of the consequences for honesty, are you going to come clean?


Yes. It even went to the prosecutor. But that was not in any way related to eve. In fact it was back in the -80's.

What's your point?

The point is, if the penalties for honesty is a harsh punishment, and the penalty for lying is, well, nothing, would you be honest?
Yes. For there is only one responsible for my actions, namely me.
Even if I wasn't aware of the consequences or possible later repercussions at the time of those actions.

And I have done some (in hindsight) rather stupid things irl....Oops

For some reason, I suspect that people prone to vandalism or other RL crimes might not take the same view. If you confess and have a 100% chance of getting a beating, but if you deny the crap out of it, you have a chance of getting off scott free, why ever confess?

And hell, other people brought it up, so why not... why does urging a couple thousand people to drive someone to suicide not result in anything other than a slap on a wrist, but putting some marks on a chunk of metal result in "pursuing punishment to the full extent of the law"?

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Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#89 - 2014-05-07 18:53:51 UTC
Well done CCP. Thanks for keeping us updated about this.

I personally feel that the actions taken in relation to this are perfect. Good job.

Just very sorry it had to be done in the first place...

Aaaaaaand relax.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#90 - 2014-05-07 18:54:10 UTC
Glad you got the scumbags.

Now, any word on getting this repaired, and future preventative action?

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#91 - 2014-05-07 18:56:06 UTC
how many people does it take to scratch an aluminum plate

four, apparently

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Marsha Mallow
#92 - 2014-05-07 18:59:43 UTC
I can't believe no one has asked for their stuff yet Straight

Speaking of which

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#93 - 2014-05-07 19:05:01 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
I can't believe no one has asked for their stuff yet Straight

Speaking of which



I did, but suddenly: Falcon.

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Gorski Car
#94 - 2014-05-07 19:09:38 UTC
GET REKT IRL INGAME UP AND DOWN

Collect this post
Octoven
Stellar Production
#95 - 2014-05-07 19:20:42 UTC
It great you were able to find the individuals responsible and that appropriate measures have been taken, hopefully this can be a lesson for anyone else who may consider doing it in the future.
scrambled
Black Powder Ballistics
Hole Control
#96 - 2014-05-07 19:24:27 UTC
mkint wrote:
Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?


Being drunk is not an excuse for doing stupid things, nor is it a "well thanks for turning yourself in, have a cookie" card. At least those who turned themselves in had some sort of moral compass to aim by, but you won't escape the fact that all actions have consequences. And unfortunately, the consequence here was a permanent ban. They'll have to deal with that.

Maybe an incentive to not get plastered off their faces...
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#97 - 2014-05-07 19:30:34 UTC
CCP should have performed an Ancient Babylonia move - "An eye for an eye."

Since they know who the real life individuals are and their in-game avatar names, if memory serves me correctly, Iceland is known for their smelting of aluminum, then a plasma cutter should be lying around somewhere. So CCP removes the plates that have their names, cleanly cut out their now banished name, and replace the open spot with a blank.

Unless CCP is already pursuing this route, those real life people unwanted by the Eve community are still apart of the monument's naming structure.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#98 - 2014-05-07 19:39:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Guttripper wrote:
CCP should have performed an Ancient Babylonia move - "An eye for an eye."

Since they know who the real life individuals are and their in-game avatar names, if memory serves me correctly, Iceland is known for their smelting of aluminum, then a plasma cutter should be lying around somewhere. So CCP removes the plates that have their names, cleanly cut out their now banished name, and replace the open spot with a blank.

Unless CCP is already pursuing this route, those real life people unwanted by the Eve community are still apart of the monument's naming structure.


Obviously taking a plasma cutter to a monument created by a famous artist will only improve the piece.







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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#99 - 2014-05-07 19:55:54 UTC
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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#100 - 2014-05-07 19:56:37 UTC
Can you name and shame the characters? Nothing more, just character names. Probably not, but this seems like a situation where identifying the people who did this by their in-game characters would be cool. Name and shame is probably appropriate here.