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A message regarding vandalism of the EVE Universe Monument

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#241 - 2014-05-15 04:05:34 UTC
what you meant to say is 'thanks goons for the harmless hype / press coverage'

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Erien Rand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#242 - 2014-05-15 05:37:44 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hey guys,

A little update on this, I'd like to point out that there's a few news and media agencies who've took it upon themselves to use hearsay and rumor in order to get their stories together, rather than coming to us for clarification.

Most of these rumors surround the fatbee that was stuck to the monument for photos on thte day it was unveiled. There's a few media outlets who are incorrectly referencing Goonswarm as the vandals, despite the fact that the sticker was put there simply for fun, and was removed a few hours later with no damage.

They seem to be confusing a little bit of fun with an actual act of vandalism. Although this isn't our doing, Goonswarm, you have my apologies. We're working on contacting several outlets to let them know that their stories are incorrect and should be edited.

Just an FYI Smile


CCP Falcon, While I understand that you don't want Goonswarm unfairly labeled as the criminals in this matter and I agree with the sentiment, I would be careful about calling the sticker "harmless fun" unless of course you want that beautiful monument covered with every manner of corp/alliance paraphernalia next fanfest.

I could see CCP being ok with that, after all it is an expression of players enthusiasm for the game, but it could quickly get out of hand and cost real time and money to clean up even if there is no permanent damage. Perhaps you could clarify.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#243 - 2014-05-15 05:54:28 UTC
oh god we're already talking about next fanfest!

jk but about the paraphernalia, how many player organisations have stickers? I'm under the impression the number is small

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Shurgin Ambraelle
Vagrants Against Gankers In Null Alliances
#244 - 2014-05-15 06:03:30 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
oh god we're already talking about next fanfest!

jk but about the paraphernalia, how many player organisations have stickers? I'm under the impression the number is small


More than you think. I am actually of thinking about starting a collection.

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Tryaz
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#245 - 2014-05-15 09:21:16 UTC
mkint wrote:
Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?

I strongly disagree with this sentiment. As adults it was expected of the vandals that they own up and turn themselves in, had they not done so that would simply have been a further reprehensible act. Were I ever fool enough to find myself in their shoes I would be absolutely mortified to be shown leniency. This is what it means to be an adult.

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Tryaz
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#246 - 2014-05-15 09:25:58 UTC
Erien Rand wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hey guys,

A little update on this, I'd like to point out that there's a few news and media agencies who've took it upon themselves to use hearsay and rumor in order to get their stories together, rather than coming to us for clarification.

Most of these rumors surround the fatbee that was stuck to the monument for photos on thte day it was unveiled. There's a few media outlets who are incorrectly referencing Goonswarm as the vandals, despite the fact that the sticker was put there simply for fun, and was removed a few hours later with no damage.

They seem to be confusing a little bit of fun with an actual act of vandalism. Although this isn't our doing, Goonswarm, you have my apologies. We're working on contacting several outlets to let them know that their stories are incorrect and should be edited.

Just an FYI Smile


CCP Falcon, While I understand that you don't want Goonswarm unfairly labeled as the criminals in this matter and I agree with the sentiment, I would be careful about calling the sticker "harmless fun" unless of course you want that beautiful monument covered with every manner of corp/alliance paraphernalia next fanfest.

I could see CCP being ok with that, after all it is an expression of players enthusiasm for the game, but it could quickly get out of hand and cost real time and money to clean up even if there is no permanent damage. Perhaps you could clarify.


imo CCP Falcon is correct in his assessment and a sticker quickly removed is not an issue (even if it is childish). I would compare that to a flag /sign held up beside the monument or even a logo photoshopped on after the fact. It's not vandalism it's just low humour in poor taste

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#247 - 2014-05-15 12:05:04 UTC
Tryaz wrote:
imo CCP Falcon is correct in his assessment and a sticker quickly removed is not an issue (even if it is childish). I would compare that to a flag /sign held up beside the monument or even a logo photoshopped on after the fact. It's not vandalism it's just low humour in poor taste


Really, you think holding a flag beside a monument or photoshopping to be low humour and in poor taste?

You must be fun at parties.

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MEME Thoughts
#248 - 2014-05-15 17:54:16 UTC
Tryaz wrote:


imo CCP Falcon is correct in his assessment and a sticker quickly removed is not an issue (even if it is childish). I would compare that to a flag /sign held up beside the monument or even a logo photoshopped on after the fact. It's not vandalism it's just low humour in poor taste


I wouldn't call a "few hours" quickly removed. And who knows what chemicals were in the glue on the sticker? Something in it might react with the sea air to cause staining.

And humor is one of those things pretty much in the eye of the beholder - you can never be sure in our multicultural EVE world when it might be considered a serious troll or insult.

Best to just be hands off the monument completely.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#249 - 2014-05-16 11:34:59 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Tryaz wrote:
imo CCP Falcon is correct in his assessment and a sticker quickly removed is not an issue (even if it is childish). I would compare that to a flag /sign held up beside the monument or even a logo photoshopped on after the fact. It's not vandalism it's just low humour in poor taste


Really, you think holding a flag beside a monument or photoshopping to be low humour and in poor taste?

You must be fun at parties.

let's be fair, it's kinda hard to top Panda McLegion.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#250 - 2014-05-16 16:35:26 UTC
Now that we know a sticker is just 'harmless fun', I look forward to seeing how many are pasted on the monument next year.

Once might be harmless, but by CCP apparently saying that it is of no consequence and not taking it seriously, I suspect there will be dozens, if not hundreds of them plastered on the statue next Fanfest.

That will not be good for anyone.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#251 - 2014-05-16 20:36:13 UTC
Who else even has stickers?
We have our own merchandise shop that sells them $0.50 per. I seriously doubt it will ever be a major problem.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#252 - 2014-05-17 01:59:25 UTC
Oh look everybody wants to start gaming what vandalism is or is not.

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Mass Doe
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#253 - 2014-05-17 15:00:26 UTC
Ok forgive my naiveté. I am a mega noob.

Is this a real life monument? Or is it graphics somewhere in game. If the latter how on earth could it get vandalized?

Again im opening myself up for a bash here but I am honestly curious about this? I promise I am not trolling.
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#254 - 2014-05-17 16:40:12 UTC
Mass Doe wrote:
Ok forgive my naiveté. I am a mega noob.

Is this a real life monument? Or is it graphics somewhere in game. If the latter how on earth could it get vandalized?

Again im opening myself up for a bash here but I am honestly curious about this? I promise I am not trolling.


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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#255 - 2014-05-18 12:04:03 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:


Best to just be hands off the monument completely.



Best just bulldoze it into the ocean so no one else's feelies get hurted by the next thing that happens to it

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#256 - 2014-05-18 20:31:35 UTC
Markus45
Doomheim
#257 - 2014-05-19 15:13:51 UTC
Also confirming that cyberbullying people dozens of times is a lot worse a thing to do than defacing a monument while drunk.

There are hundreds of members of EVE Online who have cyberbullied other members of EVE Online dozens of times. Almost none of those hundreds we're ever banned.

CCP once again fails to have consistency in their thinking.

Their tldr is pretty much: "Screw around with others, that's cool. Screw around with us, not cool."
The argument of "real life" vs "the internet" will come into play here... my response to that is all interaction over the internet occurs in real life.

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#258 - 2014-05-19 15:50:46 UTC
Blowing up your Internet spaceship is not vandalism. nor, in fact, does it constitute cyberbullying. Don't dilute the term by confusing legitimate-but-ruthless game activity with actual personal harassment with the intent of causing emotional distress.

The last time I recall seeing a genuine case of cyberbullying in this community, the individual in question was kicked off the CSM, swiftly and efficiently. The last time I saw an actual crime committed in this community and involving the game, the response was similarly swift and merciless.

HTFU.

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Auar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#259 - 2014-05-19 18:31:32 UTC
Might be a good idea to install station guns on the monument to discourage future vandalism...
ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#260 - 2014-05-19 21:20:27 UTC
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