Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ugh the forums ate my post.

Look CCP FoxFour. I don't see the issue. The argument you are making is that "it's not in the client so we don't want it at all". Why can't you just add it to the client?

This change is a bad change. Wormhole's don't have enough activity to remove the NPC kills data, which is, if anything, data that tells whether or not people in a wormhole are active currently. Unlike k-space, it's not possible to easily gather intel without committing a character to the wormhole in question. You will likely have to stay for a full day and you won't be able to go out your wormhole entrance since it will have collapsed by the time you have complete data on who lives there and when they play (If they even play at all). Then you have to scan your way back out through a new chain and come back in to your main hole, or find a way to get in theirs.

I hope you also realize the only thing this change does is basically keep WH farmers more safe. Tell me why this is a good thing? Do you think that a guy multiboxing 5 characters should be able to make 3 bil/hour in complete safety? Having done it myself, I think it's hilariously broken. It's so broken because it's virtually impossible to be caught. Right now you can get caught by a login trap, which is mostly based on seeing whether somebody is active using NPC kills, OR you can get rolled into by a gank fleet.

Having rolled many wormholes myself, I can tell you that the chance of rolling into somebody running sites is very low, and even if you do, they have a good chance of getting out since you have to spend 2-3 minutes warping your dreads into positions, scanning them, getting a bubble up, etc...

However, your change leaves the latter as basically the only viable option for killing farmers. Are you trying to tell me that you think rolling a wormhole for hours on end is what CCP believes in as a vision for what w-space should be? Or are you trying to say that you think farmers shouldn't be ganked.

You may argue that now anybody looking to kill farmers will have to leave a scout alt in the system to scout it, but frankly this is not reasonable as there are MANY MANY wormholes with active POS's, but inactive residents, so in most cases, a scout alt will simply be a waste of time. Even with the NPC kills right now, and my placement of scout alts in historically active systems, some of them are completely useless because the people in those wormholes just decided to be inactive.

This change is a bad change, you will be seeing a flood of farmers in w-space with no viable method of catching most of them.

You did not care to read the threads I presume, this one and first one. There are plenty of alliance representatives saying same things.




Farming means killing NPCs, in case you dont know it yet. It was about how much isks carebears can make. Safely, after this change.

Well if you remove those information, I think a lot of WH PvP Corps will be pretty pissed, for the right reasons.

I for my part will probably quit the game if you introduce this change.
You keep making WH space more and more preferable for carebears.
You made promises of POS Changes and Personal Ship Maintenance Arrays as a substitute measure til they arrive and you keep delaying it. There are serious issues you could address and instead you think about such crap?

When will you understand that WH-Space is a completely different game style from Null-Sec and that Null-Sec isn't the Endgame/content for everybody?
You keep destroying your sand box game style, a concept which I really liked about Eve. And you keep pushing everything towards Nullsec.
I've lived in Nullsec for some time and I prefer WH space. It's different! It's not better, not worse. Just different. So stop ruining it!

If your explanation for the removal lies in the missing ingame content: ADD A DECENT INGAME WH MAP!

Seriously, by this reason you should completely remove the NPC/Kills from ALL SPACE, not just WH space.
I don't know anybody who uses your shi.tty ingame map. I know you can avoid systems with recent kills, but that's about it. The ingame map is so chaotic that it is mostly unuseable.
Almost everybody I know relies on Dotlan anyways, even more so in Nullsec and Lowsec.

What a shi.tty excuse for yet another nullsec buff. Good thing that WH corps are represented "fairly" in the CSM.
First you ruined exploration for me (and several people I know), with Odyssey, now that? Thanks for nothing. Guess I won't be renewing my subscription for a while, just to be safe.

The most important aspects have already been mentioned. It's hard enough already to find content in W-Space. Less make it even less. Great Idea, CCP.

Not true. I frequently see ship/pod losses on staticmapper that don't show up on zKillboard.

I think a good follow up to this would be we don't appear in k-space local if we enter it via a wormhole. The unknown is where it's at

And as I said, if the "place of unknowns" part was really true, I would be OK with removing the API. The issue is that in fact it is very, very known exactly how to kill Sleepers, which is what is creating the current farming problem.

All I am asking for is you to fix both problems at the same time. Make farming harder and then you can make it harder to find farmers.

People doing PvE in wormholes is a problem? I'd like to hear why.

NOTE: The dilution of your ability to make money in a wormhole because others are doing it is a very poor reason.

For sure they definitely weren't people from a null carebear alliance who want to make it impossible to did out what holes they have caps logged off in for farming purposes. It definitely wouldn't be in their best interest to make sure that a tool that would attract scouts to watch their hole is removed from the game so they can go on farming in peace with no connection to any other wormhole entities.

GGWP CCP

We've done it too a few times... When we've done it tho we chose to involve more ppl not less with more alts... it's just a different aproach really and we don't do "just" that.

I think the consensus in NOHO is that we enjoy fights where the enemy can actually put up a fight or actually beat us. Not RNK style 95% chance to win from the start of the fight engagements :)

I admire your stamina tho don't get me wrong it takes dedication to do as much rolling as you do we tend to be a bit more lazy, but saying it takes skill and doing ONLY that... still seems dull to me, but to each his own :)

Maybe we don't want to just rely on npc kill stats and multiple capital alts to get all our w-space kills