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Ok, so this is where we run into the issue of thinking that counting tick marks on who gets what buff/nerf is in any way an indicator of an imbalance or unfair advantage. It's an argument of someone either too lazy to make their point known or who doesn't actually have one. Until you are willing to put the weight of evidence behind your words don't expect them to convince anyone or have any influence.

For a guy who spends most of his spare time suicide ganking miners in high sec, I'm surprised.

I still don’t understand why private POS owners will now have to pay tax when they already pay a huge extra cost in fuel to keep the POS running. Will the new station costs adequately reflect this high cost or should we all start looking for remote systems far away from the hubs to move our industry to? If I can move 10 jumps from Jita and only have to pay 100 million to run all my invention/copy/manufacturing/research jobs AND not have to bother purchasing/manufacturing fuel AND keep my BPO’s safe inside a station AND not have to log in everyday to look for wardecs AND not have to bother with all the other time consuming aspects of running a POS like hauling fuel, then why would anyone even want a POS in highsec anymore? If you make the cost of using stations as high as using a POS then you block new industrialists from the field.

The only reason people invent or research in a POS is due to the lack of slots in stations. People currently pay as much as $180 million a month in fuel costs for a medium POS plus half a billion for the POS and labs plus have to deal with moving everything in case of wardec and having to haul fuel every month. To top that off, they still have limited slots to use. Now you want to increase that cost by adding tax while also eliminating the lack of slots in stations. I can not possibly imagine how you could drive up the cost of station industry enough to compensate for the cost of a POS and the hassle that goes with it.

With one account and three industry toons, if I run 200 jobs a month and each job cost me 500,000 isk, it would still only cost me 100 mill AND I would no longer have to deal with all the negatives of having a POS plus my BPO’s would be safe in a station. If I am 10 jumps from Jita and you raise the prices this high, how can new players get into industry? Will you make the station cost even higher to give me a reason to use a POS?

You can say that a POS will have unlimited slots after the changes but will that really make a difference? How many slots can I actually use when copy jobs take 28 days and ME jobs for large ships take 30 days for one or two ME points? Will a person have to have 8 accounts full of industry toons just to make using a POS worthwhile?

It's less about sheer profitability as much as it is viability. For example: every member of the Economic Cabal currently does manufacturing in highsec, except for the items that are physically barred from being produced there. We would enjoy being able to use our space for this, if it was viable. Right now, it's not. It remains to be seen if the removal of slots and congestion fees will significantly affect the viability of nullsec production. I suspect it will, but there's a number of ways it could go south. We all wait with bated breath for the remainder of the devblogs.

edit- everything i wrote got ate boo

Can someone please explain what this means? Will we still have to put blueprints on the array floors or will we be able to run jobs using a blueprint in a secure container at a POS? Thinking access rights as well as clicks.

Sounds like just a series of nerfs to industry players.

So far we have:

1. reduction in the ore yield from barges/exhumer
2. the requirement to train through a dozen or so Level V refining skills and needing to insert an implant to obtain the pre-summer refine levels
3. increased reliance on POS. But the actual mechanics of POS continue to be poor
4. removal of standing for POS anchoring?!

But standing will still be required for managing rental of a corporate office at an NPC station
But standing will still be required for to managing taxes associated with the market
But standing will still be required for to lower taxes on NPC refining facilities


I recall the motto from the ship rebalance: if you could fly it before, you will be able to fly it after. Well seems for Industry: if you could perform something before, you wont be doing it after.

Wonder what else will need to be inserted by the end of these series of dev blogs - hint wont be in the head.

That seems partially inaccurate reading some of the blogs, though I admit to not running the numbers.

1. reduction in the ore yield from barges/exhumer
The hulk/covetor were actually increased IIRC.

2. the requirement to train through a dozen or so Level V refining skills and needing to insert an implant to obtain the pre-summer refine levels
Non issue, the market will adjust to the realities of the new refine rates and now those lvl V refine skills and implants will have widespread reason to exist The benefits far outweigh the losses.

3. increased reliance on POS. But the actual mechanics of POS continue to be poor
This seems half true, POS management mechanics are still poor, but the POS benefits to refining have increased. As far as POS reliance we don't know too much about research aside from the fact that NPC facilities are actually becoming better for the vast majority of players who can use them by way of actually being useable without a 20-30day queue.

4. removal of standing for POS anchoring?!
Unless you were selling standing, this doesn't change what you were doing

Much as with the ship rebalance, you WILL be doing the same you were before, though probably not as efficiently if you are doing it the exact same way.

Does the removal of slots also mean that FW system upgrades invoolving industrial slots will also be removed?

Will there be replacement upgrades of some kind?


Thanks

No slots so that FW benefit will disappear. It should be replaced, but reminding CCP makes sense.