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Miner Bumping, Ganking and the activities of James 315 and the New Order of Highsec.

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#301 - 2014-04-10 01:12:05 UTC
Kelur Hunter wrote:
Theirs a way things should be done and I agree with a few things the CODE wants to change, however some of their ideas and what I will like to call practices are just wrong and I can't see it doing any good for the Eve Universe


Constructively, lets look at an example.

In a miner/bot perfect world (they think), hisec is 100% safe, CONCORD RR's barges, and ganking is prohibited by game code. In this world, barges cost trillions of ISK (because nobody ever loses one). You are a miner. You play the game, filling your wallet with money you will never use, crunching rocks while watching NETFLIX. This gets boring, and after you play long enough to get into the mining boat of your choice, there is nothing left for you to do. You uninstall the game, and move onto another cookie cutter MMO. Your experiance with EvE was brief and tasteless. RIP EvE.

In the REAL game, you are hunted by the dastardly New Order while you strive to make your ISK in hisec. Knowing that you can be killed at any time (now you do for sure), you carefully pick out your system to mine in, watching local for signs of gankers or pirates. You watch DSCAN, and mine while aligned. When the catalysts land, you narrowly escape. Their mission is to stop you, or extort enough money from you that your worth more alive. All they ask is for you to follow the rules of their space. Do you pay it? Do you attack back?

Please tell me the second paragraph doesnt sound more entertaining for all parties involved. Now, how are they not good for EvE?

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
#302 - 2014-04-10 01:24:42 UTC  |  Edited by: BuckStrider
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Mine smart. Mine safe. Purchase your mining permit today...... www.minerbumping.com
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#303 - 2014-04-10 02:07:04 UTC
Nu'adu wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Nu'adu wrote:


There is nothing beautiful about sitting in front of a giant rock or a giant ice cube in space, hitting F1 and going AFK.

How about: Sitting in front of that giant rock/ice cube hitting F1 going to grab your drink that you left on the counter and thinking of all the wonderful things you are going to do once you and your corp have the SP and ISK to get into low/nullsec ( and survive it ) only to get back to your keyboard 30 seconds later to find your barge is gone and some a**hat is spewing his own accolades all over local like he just downed a Titan in a T1 frigate. Welcome to Eve. This is all the beauty you get.Roll


Well, the problem with that is, you didn't ask an Agent for permission to go AFK. Have you even read the Code?
yes, I have read the code. It was a horrible piece of work in the fact that you can tell a pompous, self-obsessed person with a bit of a God complex wrote it. There is nothing there that commands my respect or compliance.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Clara Pond
Never Not Snazzy
#304 - 2014-04-10 02:17:29 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:

In the REAL game, you are hunted by the dastardly New Order while you strive to make your ISK in hisec. Knowing that you can be killed at any time (now you do for sure), you carefully pick out your system to mine in, watching local for signs of gankers or pirates. You watch DSCAN, and mine while aligned. When the catalysts land, you narrowly escape. Their mission is to stop you, or extort enough money from you that your worth more alive. All they ask is for you to follow the rules of their space. Do you pay it? Do you attack back?
Please tell me the second paragraph doesnt sound more entertaining for all parties involved. Now, how are they not good for EvE?


This is the reason many veteran players who love newbies and want Eve to prosper join the New Order. They see the big picture. Bravo.
John XIII
The Carnifex Corp
#305 - 2014-04-10 02:20:56 UTC
Clara Pond wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:

In the REAL game, you are hunted by the dastardly New Order while you strive to make your ISK in hisec. Knowing that you can be killed at any time (now you do for sure), you carefully pick out your system to mine in, watching local for signs of gankers or pirates. You watch DSCAN, and mine while aligned. When the catalysts land, you narrowly escape. Their mission is to stop you, or extort enough money from you that your worth more alive. All they ask is for you to follow the rules of their space. Do you pay it? Do you attack back?
Please tell me the second paragraph doesnt sound more entertaining for all parties involved. Now, how are they not good for EvE?


This is the reason many veteran players who love newbies and want Eve to prosper join the New Order. They see the big picture. Bravo.


Well said, both of you!

Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Maxmillian Rokatansky
Doomheim
#306 - 2014-04-10 02:49:09 UTC
Act as we say not as we do.
Familiar stuff.
Play the game our way or else.
Put on the noble face for public consumption.
Like I said before if you want to know the real New Order go hang out in minerbumping chat channel for awhile.
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#307 - 2014-04-10 04:32:05 UTC
Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:
Act as we say not as we do.
Familiar stuff.
Play the game our way or else.
Put on the noble face for public consumption.
Like I said before if you want to know the real New Order go hang out in minerbumping chat channel for awhile.


Or else risk losing your ship, I don't see the problem.

Acting as Max, join [idle] the MB channel, search through your chat logs trying to find a predetermined fault and declare that all players who "hang out" in the MB channel are all mean sociopaths (if you're looking for something, you're going to find it regardless). Also, gank miners and declare that your ganking of miners is okay, because the carebears did it.

Instead, join MB channel and become involved. Talk to people, ask questions, start some conversations and see that those players are more involved in the game, willing to help and not as stuck up as carebears. Idea

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#308 - 2014-04-10 04:45:43 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:

How about: Sitting in front of that giant rock/ice cube hitting F1 going to grab your drink that you left on the counter and thinking of all the wonderful things you are going to do once you and your corp have the SP and ISK to get into low/nullsec ( and survive it ) only to get back to your keyboard 30 seconds later to find your barge is gone and some a**hat is spewing his own accolades all over local like he just downed a Titan in a T1 frigate. Welcome to Eve. This is all the beauty you get.Roll


Try doing what you just said in low/nullsec. How will that work out?

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Maxmillian Rokatansky
Doomheim
#309 - 2014-04-10 07:19:43 UTC
Capt Starfox wrote:
Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:
Act as we say not as we do.
Familiar stuff.
Play the game our way or else.
Put on the noble face for public consumption.
Like I said before if you want to know the real New Order go hang out in minerbumping chat channel for awhile.


Or else risk losing your ship, I don't see the problem.

Acting as Max, join [idle] the MB channel, search through your chat logs trying to find a predetermined fault and declare that all players who "hang out" in the MB channel are all mean sociopaths (if you're looking for something, you're going to find it regardless). Also, gank miners and declare that your ganking of miners is okay, because the carebears did it.

Instead, join MB channel and become involved. Talk to people, ask questions, start some conversations and see that those players are more involved in the game, willing to help and not as stuck up as carebears. Idea
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#310 - 2014-04-10 07:59:34 UTC
Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:
Act as we say not as we do.
Familiar stuff.
Play the game our way or else.
Put on the noble face for public consumption.
Like I said before if you want to know the real New Order go hang out in minerbumping chat channel for awhile.


Or else risk losing your ship, I don't see the problem.

Acting as Max, join [idle] the MB channel, search through your chat logs trying to find a predetermined fault and declare that all players who "hang out" in the MB channel are all mean sociopaths (if you're looking for something, you're going to find it regardless). Also, gank miners and declare that your ganking of miners is okay, because the carebears did it.

Instead, join MB channel and become involved. Talk to people, ask questions, start some conversations and see that those players are more involved in the game, willing to help and not as stuck up as carebears. Idea



What's your rebuttal here? Empty quoting?

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#311 - 2014-04-10 11:55:14 UTC
Capt Starfox wrote:
What's your rebuttal here? Empty quoting?


Looks to me like he's conceding your point. :)

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#312 - 2014-04-10 23:36:37 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
What's your rebuttal here? Empty quoting?


Looks to me like he's conceding your point. :)


Good point. It's usually not the case here, so I assumed it was another attempt at his argument. Blink

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Maxmillian Rokatansky
Doomheim
#313 - 2014-04-11 00:20:14 UTC
Sorry about the empty post, experiencing some tech problems on my end.
I'm not arguing with you, I'm presenting the facts as I see them.
Thank you for the invitation to the MB channel.
I gladly accept said invitation but I'm afraid you will have to petition your supreme leader on my behalf to lift the ban he imposed on me. He doesnt seem very secure in his own beliefs when he bans those who express theirs.
If you are lucky enough to catch him during his next ten minute log session and he agrees then contact me in game and I will come have a chat with you and your associates.
Thanks again.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#314 - 2014-04-11 05:43:53 UTC
Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:
Sorry about the empty post, experiencing some tech problems on my end.
I'm not arguing with you, I'm presenting the facts as I see them.
Thank you for the invitation to the MB channel.
I gladly accept said invitation but I'm afraid you will have to petition your supreme leader on my behalf to lift the ban he imposed on me. He doesnt seem very secure in his own beliefs when he bans those who express theirs.
If you are lucky enough to catch him during his next ten minute log session and he agrees then contact me in game and I will come have a chat with you and your associates.
Thanks again.


I know its frustrating that he isn't on his James 315 character all that much. James, being the Father of the New Order, the Saviour of Hisec, and writer of The Blog probably doesn't spend as much time being just "James" as he should. James should really learn to take care of himself more.

But you know, he's more like the Admiral of a fleet than a fighter pilot waiting on the deck for the catapult. He can sit in the control tower and direct his agents and knights without even loading up the Launcher or patching his client. No need for James to press, F1, we'll happily do that for him. Follow that man to hell and back I would.

Also, more than just James has permissions over the channel. But we're so amazingly tolerant of huge piles of bullshit, that if James banned you, you must have been pretty freakin' awful and are probably on the red pen list. Just send me 30mil isk to get off the list and I'll see what I can do about getting you into the channel.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Maxmillian Rokatansky
Doomheim
#315 - 2014-04-11 07:07:39 UTC
Nope, that's not how it went down at all.
I think he was angry because I called him out on his blatent
plagerism of a children's magazine.
I mean if the CODE is such an important and holy document
you might think it would be an original piece.
At the very least he could have ripped off maybe Time or
Rolling Stone magazine.
As far as your red pen list goes, sounds like fun.
Already survived one gank attempt in my not invinceable
bumping stabber. Nice to see New Order agents get frustrated
from time to time.
Had to remind them of a quote I heard from a wise old CODE agent once.
"Never gank with anger"
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#316 - 2014-04-11 08:44:52 UTC
If you got banned from minerbumping, you were probably making death threats.

It's pretty tricky to make the permanent shitlist otherwise.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#317 - 2014-04-11 10:19:33 UTC
They even let non compliant miners in the minerbumping channel, I'm one of them and have been chatting and having a laugh with the New Order guys for over a year.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#318 - 2014-04-11 10:58:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Capt Starfox
Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:
Sorry about the empty post, experiencing some tech problems on my end.
I'm not arguing with you, I'm presenting the facts as I see them.
Thank you for the invitation to the MB channel.
I gladly accept said invitation but I'm afraid you will have to petition your supreme leader on my behalf to lift the ban he imposed on me. He doesnt seem very secure in his own beliefs when he bans those who express theirs.
If you are lucky enough to catch him during his next ten minute log session and he agrees then contact me in game and I will come have a chat with you and your associates.
Thanks again.


Sorry to hear about your technical problems, it always sucks and it always seems to happened at the worst times.

As it has already been noted, it takes quite a bit to be banned from the MB channel. With that said, I would love to lift the ban, however, you will have to make a real effort and prove that you want to join. I suggest killing and podding players the criminal way. Miners, haulers, shuttles, random mission ships and pods will all suffice. Your character Maxmillian Rokatansky will need to be on the Killmails, but if you need to use alts, or need help in the gank, that is fine.

Once this is completed email me the Killmails and we'll see about lifting that ban.

Thank you and hope the technical problems don't persist. Blink

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#319 - 2014-04-11 14:49:42 UTC
Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:
Nope, that's not how it went down at all.
I think he was angry because I called him out on his blatent
plagerism of a children's magazine.
I mean if the CODE is such an important and holy document
you might think it would be an original piece.
At the very least he could have ripped off maybe Time or
Rolling Stone magazine.
As far as your red pen list goes, sounds like fun.
Already survived one gank attempt in my not invinceable
bumping stabber. Nice to see New Order agents get frustrated
from time to time.
Had to remind them of a quote I heard from a wise old CODE agent once.
"Never gank with anger"


I had no idea you were the "he stole the idea for the New Order from a childrens book" guy! I hope you are on top of all the people who use the phrase "naughty and nice" to give proper credit to Santa Clause.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Maxmillian Rokatansky
Doomheim
#320 - 2014-04-11 15:08:45 UTC
You seem to be missing the point here or you are really good at the classic technique of puttin the spin on it.
It doesnt take much at all to get banned from the MB channel especially if you happen to catch James online while poking holes in the logic of his beloved CODE. My other character was kicked after he threatened to show chat logs of one of your members acting very unCODE-like in local, This included some very foul language which I had previously never encountered before from a CODE agent. Even more surprising was a tear filled rant that included every square from a miner bingo card after your member had lost a ship. Naturally said member didnt want any of this information to be presented to his agent friends and he had my gank alt kicked after I called him on his behaviour.

If you look through the previous posts you will see I was responding to your ivitation to come to the MB channel and have "conversations". I dont want or need to join you. My associates and I are allready bumping and ganking miners. They just happen to have mining permits and pledges of support in their bio's.

The reactions of your agents to our actions have been quite varied.
Some think its great.
Some deny it is even happening despite being provided with the KM's.
One of your corps even declared war after we ganked a few permit holders in their area.
They learned two things that you think would have allready been evident to a New Order corp:
War deccing doesnt really combat suicide ganking.
Its very easy to lose a war when your foe uses the techniques pionerred by James 315.
Our guy didnt even have to shed the corp and restart it. After being down 50 mil the New Order corp must have realized
the folly in war deccing a one man corp with a -5 gank alt.