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Someone has to do it, and the task is soulless and unrewarding. It would be better for 75% of the use cases for compression for it to be available as a station service. The POS module would still be used by miners on the fringes of the galaxy (and in wormholes.)

The null sec caretels have given all the information that they want to give.
The numbers are all there.
High sec is getting hammered, low sec is getting hammered to a slightly lesser degree, wormholes do well, null sec gets a ridiculously massive buff.

Low skill players are crushed, null sec will be attracting high skill industrialists.
Go read the post by the chief architect of this disaster over at the failed lawyer's website.
He had a post prepared that breaks it down nicely, specifically how much null sec gains with this.

Oh, and BTW, given he is on the CSM, you can treat his statement as fact about this just being the first "big change" for June.
We are just seeing now is just another step of many of the complete degradation of high sec into a wasteland.

"Caretels" is a great word. We collude because we care about you, the Eve: Online player.

So, should we kill off Corporate Hangar Arrays due to the prevalence of highsec stations with unlimited storage?

This is a completely spurious argument. POS modules exist to support life on the fringes, not replace it. Meanwhile, the sheer importance of the availability of compressed ore demands that the barrier to entry for compression be as low as possible.

Maybe at the same time you could fix the "bug" I reported here.?

Maybe I’m a cheap.. But I feel like I have to make a little comment on this nerf...
First off all I can read is hurt new players and take away something from the eve players that have used a lot of time and effort into industry. Why in universe would you make it 10 -20 times harder for a new player to play eve...
I like some of the changes I do.... Something needed to be done with the module mineral compression...

Compression ore BPO refunded at market price value... Are u kidding me!!... The value of the blueprints is not the value of the marked price after you have spent time and POS fuel on researching them.. The time EVE players have spent on researching them needs to be refunded as well + something really nice for the hazard of researching 240 blueprints....

As someone have mentioned if your nerfing module reprocessing this mucth, it will have a huge impact of the income of doing NPC missions. Either you need to add more of the sellable high value (Meta lvl4) in loot or you need to add more LP points/ mission reward/bounty/standing increase.... Couse with this nerf your basically cutting mission running income in half.

All you do by putting better refines and compression strictly on POS' is create a massive barrier to entry. Anyone without the resources to run a POS is stuck selling one of two sub-par products:

1. Ore
   • Uncompressed ore has a massive volume, making it difficult to move around
   • The cost of the intermediate step of POS compression will be uploaded to the miner
   • Large-scale industrialists save no time or money
   
   
2. Minerals
   • Refining ore will produce less minerals and less isk for the miner
   • Owning and operating the refining array, which helps solve this problem, has a massive running cost of its own. It doesn't pay out.
   
   

We know these changes are going through, so let's make it as easy on both hi and null as possible: let those who can't effectively refine compress and industry might actually see improvement. Force compression into POS arrays and things are going to slow down quite a bit.

These statements support station compression. Do you even know what you're arguing?

In the past I have been hit by T2 module material composition and high end moon goo stuff changes. Loosing like 40b in the process due to stockpiles suddenly being hammered in value, which is a lot even to the majority of older players. With this change only my compression BPO collection take a value hit.

But i don't mind!

Take it form me, it happens from time to time in order to make the game better. Each change is bound to result in winners and loosers and if you are all in on something, that can make you a very large winner or a very large looser. There is no reason to fight it, but every reason to learn and adapt.

I think people that crying about income loss etc, are exactly the people that need this change the most. They are getting pulled out of that single operating mode of daily routines and have a moment to reflect and to see what else is out there. Find new things and new ways of doing existing things. You might discover that what you think was smart game play before, actually wasn't and be better for it.

Miners will be the group of players that do the compression, not in the least as it reduces the time they currently waste on hauling the ore to a station in the first place. At the same time they deliver a more valuable product to their customers.

Players that mine, but are unwilling to join a group or co-operate with others that have POS access are only making their own life hard. You cannot blame that on the changes. In fact, it makes it all the more obvious that joining a corporation is a good thing to do. In a sense it helps new players get into shape and action much sooner then otherwise would be the case.




Maybe you can elaborate why you see those statements as a reason to introduce station compression?

We had mineral compression trough certain modules and ammunition, enabled by of 100% refining and 100% recycling. Those items were never intended to be used for compression, but null did rely on them to get their low end minerals.

Now we get ORE compression which is more versatile, takes no BPO research and takes up no manufacturing slots. It also lowers hauling sores of miners at the same time and empowers WH population to handle the ore volumes that are out there.

There is an obvious need for compression, but null and WH populations were the ones that rely on it. High sec manufacturing cannot afford to pay the 15-20% premium of compressed modules to acquire minerals. They haul uncompressed minerals in staggering volumes (trit, pyerite and some mex).

Not only the previous beneficiaries of compression now have a proper solution instead of an artifact of broken mechanics. But also miners and high sec producers get a gain. With miners obviously wanting to have theirs...most of them will compress and with it the majority of ore will exist on market in that form.

Since a single system does not complain much ore, let alone populated ones that are hammered each day, miners will fan out...and thanks to ore compression at a pos they can. Operating in station less systems far from hubs is no longer out of reach. This also brings the benefit of fresh larger rocks and thus increase their mining effectiveness.

All this is relevant because with the majority of ore already having a better solution for compression then stations would offer, there really is no need to focus on edge cases with unwanted side-effects. Side effects such as giving new players the idea that operating solo is a reasonable path to follow. Drawing beginners out of starter systems as soon as possible is good! Good is also to not making practical bottling less risky by not having to deal with POS + possible wars.

Just manufacture in null, i may have a corp suggestion :)

Its fun, I run the whole process there getting minerals, then making stuff.

The sov upgrades help to.