Wormholes

1. The condition of being safe; freedom from danger, risk, or injury. (from your link)

Seems clear to me. and there you go again asking Fozzy to clarify something you have just argued cant be clarified WTF do you want?

Read the first 5 pages--have neither the time nor the inclination to read the remaining 30 pages, but as a wormhole resident, I'll briefly add my voice to the chorus.

As was stated several times in the first few pages (and I'm sure ad nauseam throughout this topic), wormhole residents who are being vigilant should have a way of knowing what's coming--a flat delay on the appearance of K162s is a lazy "solution" that doesn't actually fix anything and makes no logical sense. It's already "delayed" due to whatever esoteric method is used to update the scanner. I've gone several minutes unable to see a signature on one character that I could see with the other.

CCP has stated in the past that it was "never our intention for w-space to have permanent residents" (or something extremely close to that). This proposal indicates a complete lack of awareness that pilots do, in fact, live in w-space, a complete lack of caring about the same, or the first steps in an effort to make your initial intentions a reality--I'm not sure which option Mr. Occam would choose.

tl;dr: All of my no. This is an incomprehensibly stupid idea, Mr. Fozzie. You were rather entertaining during NEO II, why you gotta go and be like this? Just tell us you were trolling us this whole time and all will be forgiven.

EDIT: Oh, and give wormholes more than one 30 second clip for a soundtrack. At least give us two--then all will be forgiven.

There is no need for cursing. Calm down. I initially made it clear what I wanted. I would like to get answers to the following questions. I'll separate them and even add one. And remember, these questions are NOT FOR YOU. They are for Fozzie. As I said before, with all respect I do not think you or I know enough to really make good suggestions.

What problem is it you are trying to fix?
Too little PvP?
In what class of holes (any, C5-6)?
Should mining be culled specifically?
Do you want some parts to be saver for PvE runners?
Or is it a brainstorm thing with no clear objectives and no clear problem statement?
The timers: If there are different timers, are they based on where the hole come from or lead to, or type (ie A239)?

I am stealing your list MadbaM



Correct, which is why it should go back to pre Odyssey settings



The only corps that don't find active targets are inactive corps. Speaking only for myself and my corp, we have seen no shortage of targets, whether they are PVEing or PvPing.



Ganking is a big part of wormhole life, but I think it's easy enough already

Your addressing your questions to Fozzie and i quoted Fozzie from his OP, your asking question of which Fozzie has already given you answers i am merely pointing them out to you not answering them personally.

I'm seriously starting to question my own sanity here, honestly not sure who the crazy one is but im fairly sure its not me.

Bob please give me strength
Deliver me from care bares
Spawn me holes to the unworthy
And i will burn them in your name
Amen

As others have already asked, I would like to ask what you are trying to fix exactly?

1) If you are trying to make it more risky to run PVE in WHs, I understand. You're trying to limit the ISK faucet, especially in C5/6 situations. Fair enough but please label it as such. In higher class WHs, the advantage already lies with the attackers since they will usually catch you with your dreads in siege. A quick stroll to Quantum Explosion's KB shows they are doing quite well without this "delay".
2) If you're trying to encourage more PvP in WHs, I don't think this is going to get you there. You're telling us an unknown number of ships may have jumped into our WH and we need to fight them off. How many people are going to take that on? It's like jumping into a gate camp without a scout, not a very smart move.
3) If you're trying to move more people to null space where any visitors are immediately visible, this is an impetus. I don't know anything about population distributions in WHs and null, I'll let others speak to that but I'm guessing if you drive people away from WHs, then you will not address the lack of PvP in WHs, you're going to make it worse.
4) Finally, I have to agree with some of my fellow posters: you dumbed down exploration by making sigs/anoms visible upon entry and making scanning so much easier for noobs. You are now getting complaints from folks about the lack of good fights. Being able to gank a PvE running fleet imho is not a good fight and if you think this will force folks to prepare defense fleets to guard against a "delayed" attack, I think you're mistaken.

My suggestion is to put things back to how they were before: Make WHs a battle of the scanners: If I can scan your K162 before you can get your own scanner in and find my ship, I should have a chance to get out. I may not see you in local like I can in null but I should know you could be there, the same time you know I'm here

Thanks for posting to ensure this thread gets another 30 pages of the same argument. /rolls eyes

Perhaps it could have been better if you could provide some feedback on your design goals for your idea. Do your statistics indicate there isn't enough PVP going on or is there too much PVE going on, more then CCP would like?

Any chance you could give us some statistics as to what your going on with your idea flipping the board game to a side of a very dangerous WH space? Please don't stick the hard line that releasing statistics breaks immersion of gameplay, we would like to argue against your current iteration of your ideas with the figures you are working on that lead you to your idea.

Also you mentioned in your OP that the design team is looking at several ideas, if the only one idea you have mentioned is this bad (And its no longer just my opinion it is bad anymore, its 30 pages of whats looking like 90% of people agree its a bad idea) can we please hear your other ideas or concepts you are looking into?

If you want to get our community involvement please do it with us in a more meaningful way and less token piece please.

You should go on to read a few more pages after the people that came in the first few pages most likely came into this from a reddit link. And i agree those 10% that do like Fozzies idea prob don't live in Wh space to understand how bad this would be.

And i wasn't trolling at all, was a legit post.

That's cool cause I think a few of us there will have something to day about it lol
Thank you for having the grace to get the ball rolling early Fozzie, we do appreciate that.

Id prefer pre oddessey since the way the system is now its way to easy for any1 watching the signature window without any probes out to see that you gridded into their wh and for them to make a quick escape most of the time depending on factors..