Wormholes

This. Really simple

I would actually like to see the Discovery Scanner merged somehow with DScan so that you only have to mash one button to check for new sigs anywhere in the system (but with normal dscan range limits for everything else). How's that for an interesting idea?

Then I wouldn't have to go to all the trouble of diverting a pilot to a boring probe spamming activity or having to do it myself on an alt, forcing me to spam two buttons which is just crap gameplay. I mean I'll do it, and so will anyone else who wants to live, but I somehow doubt the market is going to compensate me for the trouble in terms of the improvement to loot values.

Anyway, gameplay wise, I would prefer only having to mash one button on one account to help protect my fleet from ganks.

As a fairly new full time wspace resident, the non probable K162 looks bad. I wouldn't mind it not appearing on the discovery scanner as I'm mostly relying on probes/dscan to know what's around me.

For me probes should give an indication of every exits in the hole. If I'm mapping down my chain it'll slow me down as I won't be able to tell the sig N° I just created until the delay expires in the hole i just opened.

If you're dead set on delayin the K162 probing, make the delay apply to their very existence and thus their appearance on grid too: no going back for K162 spawners until the K162 sig shows and the K162 hole appears on grid. This way it's coherent system-wide, there's just an entrance from another system in that system, no exit in this one.

TL;DR Not fond of shröedinger's K162 which half exists only for some people.

First - I really f***ing hate this forum software CCP - it blows majorly and loves to eat posts. Talking "Sarlacc's Pit" level of suckage. And the draft function is almost equally useless and whyTF are there two post buttons when making replies grrr ccp forums grrrr (I feel a little better now)




I completely share the concern you have regarding the bolded part of that passage. If Fozzie/CCP has other ideas on how to improve w-space I'm sure we'd all love to hear/read them so that we can discuss pros/cons of "all the things".

However, when the only idea released to the public is this one and it comes with the implied "...well the other things we thought about are less good than this..." it simply smacks of "We prefer this idea because (insert reason) and are going to implement it regardless." This has happened before, many more times than once (in fact discovery scanner is one such instance....how funny that we should find ourselves here again....again).

Hopefully CCP realizes that if they want this change to succeed then honest, transparent and open communication and publishing of proposals must happen (NDA permitting goes without saying).

I'd agree with jack - sigs should always be probable by any party when useable by one or more - auto popping up on scanner doesn't really bother me either way but it would be more in the theme of w-space if they were delayed there.

If the k162 side didn't spawn until someone actually jumped it would be a bit of an improvement there and give people less time to safe up.

Alternatively in C5/6 space make it so the next incoming wormhole spawns on grid with the most recently escalated site (or random selection if theres more than one recently escalated) would make things a bit interesting hehe.

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Yeah, let's make it more dangerous with some illogical new ideas, so people will just leave wh completely. First the so called carebears, because they won't be able to do anything... then pvp/pve ones, that cannot get enough isks to replace lost pvp ships... then pvp-only ones, because they will be the only ones roaming around, and 90% of them never look for a real fight (pvp vs pvp) and just wanna get kill mails... but with desert wormholes they won't have any target.

So WH space will go back to what it was meant to be at the beginning... a place where people will go for daily trips, aware that they can easily loose their ships... but how many will actually risk that?

With the proposed new system, there is just no way to defend yourself from an aggressor, because you have no way to know they are out there. Unless they are so stupid to show up on d-scan, or start using probes.

So the only things people will actually be able to do with a moderate safety will be gas/data/relic sites. Nothing else.
Just because they have to be probed, and at least you can span dscan for unknown probes trying to probing you or your sig.

I'm not sure that the only way to make WH life better is making life easier for gankers....
Already mining got killed moving belts on anoms (yeah, some people still mine, but they do it aware that sooner or later they will be podded. Because even if they can see new sigs spawning, honestly if an inty spawned the k162, and then warp to all the ore anoms, they will likely catch the miners before they leave.)

I don't get why most of the changes done in EVE have to be made to increase or make easier the pvp. Go on like that, and many people will just do other things, or stop playing. My corp for sure would leave W-space if these ideas will pass.

I think that to increase pvp in wh, the best way is to have more people coming in them, both to "live" there or just for daily trips.
More people = more chances of fights. Because W-space IS already dangerous... you are never 100% safe out there.
Add content, add loot, add some cool things people will want to do/get/try... don't change mechanics that are already working, unless you really improve them, keeping in mind all the aspects of them game, not just the pvp part.

I remember the old drug and alcohol free Rroff - He didn't make much sense either but he was a lot easier to cuddle.
Le sigh.

Its something that sometimes people don't seem to be able to see in this game and I think this idea is somewhat down that road - you can't force people to be your targets, change the game rules to bully them and they will just quit or find something else to do.

The originally proposed change seems rather poorly thought out.

The only way a wh occupant can identify a new k162 is by having probes out and scanning down the sig; a new sig in the scanner window can be any one of several different sites. In order to cope with the proposed change, the wh pilot need only switch from core probes to combat probes (if he wasn't already using them) and watch for new ship sigs.