Wormholes

I approve if the change will apply to k-space local aswell. There is way too little risk farming in null. Just dock whenever someone enters local. Where is the risk vs. reward in that?

It's good that CCP is thinking about wormhole content to make it more interesting

I was thinking, maybe we can look at some options that assist in our ability to fight out in null so instead of it being WH vs WH

Giving us an added edge in Null would make PVP more appealing to WH PVP cops in line with the objective of the tweaks proposed by CCP in this thread

Maybe we can have some kind of WH cyno that when 3 different corps while all in the same fleet activated them in their own wormholes it would open a new null connection to the same null region from each of those wormholes (but not perhaps not to the same null system) I expect there would need to be a re-activiation delay on the order of a day or so for obvious reasons

Or if you spend more than a day in wh-space your ship's communications systems need to recalibrate when entering k-space and you dont show up in local chat for 30 seconds when you enter into k-space (perhaps this effect can last for a handful of jumps as long as the 30 second timer doesnt expire before jumping) Ships entering k-space in this way would still be visible on dscan and from combat probes of course

I dunno, im just throwing ideas out here... It doesnt really matter... if CCP feels a delay for k162's to be scanable is desired, then thats just something we'll need to incorporate into our playstyles

We'll see what happens

I've lived almost exclusively in W space since its introduction and had multiple incarnations over the years.

True story, one of the catalysts for VoC was after Aquila attacked my "Carebear Class" running Anoms in what became Volta's WH. The experience led to a conversation on Aquila's comms and me moving in to Aquila's WH, the group grew in size and a year later VoC was formed.

This encounter would likely have never taken place if we knew they were there and coming, and the impromptu "OH ****!!!" nature of the encounter and subsequent escalations was tremendously enjoyable and one of the most significant events in my time playing Eve.

I'm all for more encounters between players and support the proposed change.

Because your name is Faxanadu (which was an awesome NES game) I will spare you the bad mouth. However, I find it fair to warn you that any ideas of cynos and wh space are met with great hostility. Good luck!

So I'm curious. you claim essentially that this fight would not have occurred under the new system with the disovery scanner. It did however happen basically with everything else the same sans discovery scanner.

So why then do you think it is necessary to not only roll back to the environment that allowed your story to take place, but to push the pendulum further and potentially cause more harm than good?

Yo, not every person in corp/alliance is in need of ISK or interested in running sites for extended period of time. A group can have 5/6 pilots doing sites and 10 others who are online but are not participating. Not to mention that many groups use jabber/slack to ping their offline membership.

I know, but the point was the with the current instant spawn of the sigs in overview and probe scanner view without probing you don't have any people in eve so lazy/stupid any more.
They are gone extinct and so is a lot of player interaction.

Something else I'd like to comment on

To the folks who would like to open up options to increase the ease of ganking other WH bros' PVE activity...

We're all out in WH space for the same reasons... we're willing to accept the risk, and invest the required effort and vigilance to make living there viable. That means watching Dscan and probing.

If you want to add more eggs for us to juggle to make living in WH harder, thats fine but at least give us the option to exert that added vigilance. The point i think is to be able to prey on people who leave themselves open to it.

Thats why i think the nullbears should be the real targets, because theyre traditionally complacent deep in their cozy null regions buffered by all their intel channels so they can fap and mine/rat in peace right? Theyre the targets who are most likely to forgo exerting vigilance because theyre not as hardened as us WH bros who are accustom to putting in that extra effort.

On the same note, I think youll find that thats why WH pilots may be slightly more difficult to gank because they're used to having to pay attention.

I agree. And I agree the discovery scanner should just be scrapped. Honestly it serves little useful purpose beyond being a new player "look exploration!" tool.

But the thing I will keep harping on is that I think it is a bad idea to swing the pendulum too far in the other direction. CCP should have a very good understanding at this point of the law of unintended consequences, which I believe would read its ugly head with some of the changes proposed.

No I don't like this.
If someone takes the effort of dropping probes and actively watching them, there's zero reason why they should not be able to detect new sigs immediately.
This change would swing it too fart the other way.

Probes should detect the sigs immediately, overlay needs a delay.