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So why half the time?

You could equally find a quiet spot and mine the full 10 due to the fact that you do not show up on the map like when you go ratting.

You try to cop out every time you come across something you dont like. Yea but what if this, yea but if we do that.


Why are you so against rewarding people for doing things outside of highsec?

Most likely nothing because you dont want there to be a reason for you to go to null.

Yes you do.

You have spent your entire time in this thread arguing with the people happy with this change.

Actually, ORE mining efficiency for the Mackinaw and certainly for the Skiff is highly dependent on how big the rocks are. This statistically makes them more efficient miners in null. There are other factors in null, that can negate this. But to state based on its the same ship that they are equal in both locations is wrong. Every miner knows this!

I have two problems with these changes:

1- an unskilled fresh char, with no implants can refine at 75% in a POS
meanwhile a maxed out char with hall skills at V and an implant can get
To MAX 72.4% In a station and same 75% in a POS!!!!!

This goes against CCP philosophy for these changes (encouraging char to skill up and create an incentive for refining career)
This will push ppl away from training and into owning or being part of a Corp with a POS


2- making the station Max refine dependent on the +4% implant (to reach the theoretical max refining yield in a station in high sec-72.4%- u need all skill to V and an +4% implant. This max is equal to the current refine yield at 100%) is also counterintuitive.

The implant should be an addition to the 72.4, making the investment in implants an additional gain not a mandatory payment to preserve the current lvl of income.


In short, POS refine can be better than station but it has to give an advantage to high skill char.
And implant should add to the max-current yield

Thanks for reading

Or, the rookie can simply not refine their ore, and ship compressed ore to a market hub to be sold.'

To support this sea change in the miner's routine, I once again must call for station compression.

Random numbers. I could also have taken 10/1 or 10/7, doesn't change the fact.

I turn around words in other's mouths, find loopholes in other's logics or extend their's in ways they don't want to see it extended, I grudge other's theoretical and practical success, and want to see others wriggle like an eel when they justify their logic and their way to play the game. There are more ifs connected to everything in EVE, there is no non-if-able solution in EVE, so I just do what is obvious. Makes me the perfect EVE player in the current state of things, doesn't it?

Because it does solve none of the more fundamental problems in the game and kicks tons of existing problems just further down the road. Moreover, there is already more than enough reward to be had outside of High sec, as stated before (unless the posts were deleted in CCP's "private cleaning party"), but people just cannot be bothered to reap them and put effort into. This change also does not change any of the reasons for many people to not go into 00 sec space, because many of their reasons are not solvable/changeable by changing game mechanics. It only makes their lifes more difficult, nothing else (also as stated before and in other threads).
Another example are the immense and exuberant expectations that people have and are driven to have with regards to SRP. What is your SRP again? Pay people double the price of the ships they fly? Something like that at least. That's sick, on the one hand, and it turns people into spoiled crybabies who don't know the effort, investments and time that is needed to create these things and they don't need to invest time and effort to earn these things. On the other hand, the more people demand such SRP, the more easy money the alliance needs to make, which turns into an neat spiral with a very well-known end. In High sec, people at least fly around in their stuff they have earned through mission grinding or mining (or botting, if you wish), but certain 00 focused entities foist the impression on me that they depend entirely on being able to provide people with such extensive SRP to keep them on board. I am convinced that this is not something that should be supported further than it already is.

So, you're saying that one should not fly any spaceship unless it's been built by their own hands? What nonsense is this?

Also, you seem unusually concerned about the fomenting of entitlement in an organization or organizations to which you don't belong. I can't really see why this would matter to you.

I dont think this change will bring any substantial influx of miners to null.

As to bot preponderance in high-sec, I think that is related to the low risk of being blown up, whereas botters would be KOS in null.
I mean if I was ever to bot, not that I would, Id set my fleets up in remote high-sec fields where nobody will ever even notice me ingame.

Although now there will be, due to the refining efficiency.