Ships & Modules

Do you remember when the Abaddon/Hyperion/Rokh/Maelstrom was released?

"Captain, sensors indicate a high level of deja vu coming from this thread."

I would have really, really loved for them to have released a shield tanking ship with a fat signature radius, 20k EHP that does 1000dps into the current metagame.

It would have been followed by a huge influx of "WAHHH NAGA IS BAD FOR LEVEL 4 MISSIONS!!!" and "WAHHH, NAGA FAILS BECAUSE FLYING IN PULSE RANGE IN A GLASS CANNON IS A BAD IDEA!!!"

I was kinda hoping theyd make the naga cruise missile boat with good bonuses as cruise missiles arent really represented well and i have it well trained but alas its another rail boat. I already have a Rokh so got really turned off by them putting rails on that as well. Why cant we get something good for a change?

P.S: Also im so sick of seeing drakes it would have been nice to see something else with missiles for a change.

They are terrible because they dont have a good ship for them , this would have been an opportunity to make one which they failed to do. Something Interesting and different.

Im somewhat confused as well why they make tornado so good and Naga so bad. That said I got tech 2 rails trained but was hoping to be able to fly something other than Scorp with cruise missiles, so very dissapointed. Does anyone have a link to where devs said why they decided to make rokh mkII ?

The naga is actually better than the rokh because it gets a damage bonus where the rokh does not. The tornado being good at everything can be chalked up to autocannons being good at everything. Rails on the Naga will be very good at ranged damage projection, blasters will be very good at up close up damage. The problem is that autocannons are good at both of those simultaneously. Amarr is good at both in a similar way except they have to use capacitor to shoot.

I think these are made for PVP mostly from the start and most people are correct slow flying torps would have been bad in most standoff fights or getting close to those lasers can be painful for a weak tank. But that being said unless they were wondering or worried about mission running melting time with 8 torps I am not sure why they didnt let people keep the torps. Obviously they had a reason for it and I doubt it was to pick on Caldari.

Once you have the gun skills though flying any of these ships is fairly straight forward since Cruise IV is easy enough and BC is non-racial skill. I have not seen the requirements but I would assume it is the same for other BC's.

Then again maybe the Naga can stand to run some missions and do it well, not Mach well or Tengu but at least a change and hopefully cheap enough as a hull to get out and do some other fun stuff. I am sure they will be expensive at first but hopefully not much more than their brothers in a month or so. Cheap guns cheap mods go out and blast something under a 100 million in cost would be cool. Getting Large IV is not hard and will get most pilots into a decent dps ship of course T2 will be the ultimate goal I would think. Of course I already have the gun skills so not a big issue with me but I can understand the dissapoint at having to train it all up if you don't. However that being said by the time the cost balances out most could have most of their gun skills working out if not max.

Guns are fun but unfortunately Hybrids don't really seem to be buffed that much but we shall see, I am 1 day from Med Arty Spec IV then the long drive to Large Projectile V which is the longest but I started training not very long ago. 12 days for Med Projectile and 6 or 8 for Small then about a week to Spec in both to IV. Anyway I am rambling but it is not as horrible as it seems if you can just train it and not worry over it. Now thankfully I was lucky to have been an Eagle pilot so all the support gun skills are already maxxed they can take a long time to get worked out. 3 to 6 months to be a really good gunner, training nothing but guns. As most already know guns have two branches Hybrid is Blaster/Rails and that is twice the cost to fly both. For many Caldari starting out that is a hell of a lot of training for something that may or may not pan out. It will be less painful for the older pilots who have great missile boat skills but a new pilot flying Caldari will be shocked at the time involvement for a single ship of the fleet when it takes away all that training in shield/missile etc.

I'd say it feels weird. TBH I wanted the torps but this does't feel half-bad either. And mind you I'm a gallente that switched to flying caldari ships. Not that much of a hassle for me anyway.

Agreed! As it stands to date Torpedo's have no ship to claim as its cream of the crop! This truly is disappointing!

This is funny, some people claiming it's horrible, others saying it's the best sniper evar! I definetely have to side with the second group though. The real objection seems to be to having to use hybrid weapons. However if the recent hybrid boost proves sufficient all these complaints will be moot. 700 DPS at over 100 KM you say? Yes that sounds pretty impressive frankly. Considering that all four Tier 3 BCs are faster than any other BC or BS this will be the ultimate ship for kiting. Avoid anything smaller than a cruiser and you'll have absolute control over the fighting range and be dealing decent damage the entire time. If you're worried about getting probed out, either stay aligned to something, or orbit at exactly 100km.

Obviously if hybrids continue to suck, hybrid boats will suck too, but that's why CCP is finally revising the hybrids. Hopefully they will take a third and fourth look at balance over the coming months. Without viable hybrid weapons, Caldari missile ships came to the fore-front. Even with the Gallente I usually hear discussions about Mymidons and Dominix. People of course associate the Caldari with missiles since they have the only dedicated missile ships in multiple categories, and again, the Hybrid ships have been nearly pointless for the last few years. So yeah, it all comes down to the new balance CCP strikes with the hybrids, let's hope they get it right.

I just found out the Naga didn't have any missile slots - the first thought through my head was that my client was malfunctioning and I would need to petition it.

I find it completely absurd that the missiles were cut from the design, and I find it equally absurd that people are defending the choice. Yes, the Naga should be a valuable sniper ship, like it is, but it should also have some versatility, like the original design. A versatile ship isn't overpowered... it's just versatile. You can't be a sniper and a torpedo spammer at the same time, but you should be able to choose which one you are. That was one of the reasons the Naga was *going* to be so cool... you had options.

I think CCP should balance their decision on this one... listen, a little, to the players who want to keep it the way it is. Then listen to the players who want to change it to have missile slots as well. Then grow some freaking brains and give it missile slots.

I usually don't get so angry about dev decisions, but this is ridiculous.