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Is the Naga dead to you, or are you still excited for it?

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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#1 - 2011-11-17 13:54:18 UTC
From what they're saying, CCP has nerfed the torpedos right out of the Naga, rendering it solely a gunboat now. Personally, my only interest in it was as a torpedo platform... with this change I personally have completely lost interest in the ship. This isn't a whine or complaint... it simply isn't a direction I wish to go in.

How about the rest of you... you prefer the Naga as solely a gunboat, or are your dreams of a torpedo launcher now as dead as your interest in the ship?

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-11-17 13:55:20 UTC
Ingvar Angst wrote:
From what they're saying, CCP has nerfed the torpedos right out of the Naga, rendering it solely a gunboat now. Personally, my only interest in it was as a torpedo platform... with this change I personally have completely lost interest in the ship. This isn't a whine or complaint... it simply isn't a direction I wish to go in.

How about the rest of you... you prefer the Naga as solely a gunboat, or are your dreams of a torpedo launcher now as dead as your interest in the ship?

i have no monacle.... so... i see no problem here Cool

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#3 - 2011-11-17 13:58:32 UTC
Naga. Naga!? I have no Naga.

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BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
#4 - 2011-11-17 13:59:52 UTC
Ingvar Angst wrote:
From what they're saying, CCP has nerfed the torpedos right out of the Naga, rendering it solely a gunboat now. Personally, my only interest in it was as a torpedo platform... with this change I personally have completely lost interest in the ship. This isn't a whine or complaint... it simply isn't a direction I wish to go in.

How about the rest of you... you prefer the Naga as solely a gunboat, or are your dreams of a torpedo launcher now as dead as your interest in the ship?



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New Fnord Industries
#5 - 2011-11-17 14:04:25 UTC
There are four weapon systems (not counting drones), Hybrids, Lasers, Projectile and Missiles, it would be nice to have one of them a Missile boat, as it stands now two of them will be Hybrid based.
Nyio
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-11-17 14:10:18 UTC
When I first heard about the new ships I didn't think much about it, except that the Naga would probably be a cool missile/shield ship and the Gallente version for drones/armor. Now that I've seen them both I can only note that these new ships are not meant for me nor my playstyle.

Tl;Dr: Not excited.
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#7 - 2011-11-17 14:10:39 UTC
Missile skills take a significant amount of SP investment for Caldari pilots, what with most Caldari ships focusing on them.

It would have been better had the Naga remained with the option for torpedos.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-11-17 14:13:25 UTC
I am looking forward to a better rail platform. My understanding was that it has enough bonuses right now to make it a good rail platform...and I really miss my rails.

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DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
#9 - 2011-11-17 14:16:28 UTC
It may be a better ship now, but it isn't as exciting.
Alara IonStorm
#10 - 2011-11-17 14:18:36 UTC
I wish it got real Weapons. =/
Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
#11 - 2011-11-17 14:44:43 UTC
They could not nerf Naga it was never on TQ Roll

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Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
#12 - 2011-11-17 14:53:25 UTC
I think CCP chose the easiest way to deal with the Naga.

Making a viable missile t3 BC would mean fixing cruise and torps Lol
Jenshae Chiroptera
#13 - 2011-11-17 14:53:33 UTC
Naga + cruise missiles would be nice.

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Ripperljohn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-11-17 14:55:09 UTC
With bonuses atm Naga will deal around 700 dps@ 70km.

wanted torps at start, but this will be funnier.

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#15 - 2011-11-17 16:23:32 UTC
With all the other tweaks that are going in, I think it was wise to focus the Naga on one weapons system or the other. I can see a case for either weapons system, but frankly there are viable platforms for missiles already... there really isn't one (commonly recognized) as being a good rail platform.

When you consider the nature of Rails, which are frankly better at ranges where you can use your more damaging short/mid range ammo while every body else is using their long range ammo to return fire, the Naga 's realtive speed and agility make it a good choice as a rail boat. It can do the sniper role from "extreme" range when necessary, but that would be a waste of the weapons system and the capabilities of the ship itself.

All and all I think the most interesting choice. We'll have to see how it stacks up against a rail outfitted Talos, as it would be a shame if the Talos made the Naga redundant with it's primariy weapons system.

What are the new bonuses? I haven't checked them out yet.

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Nyio
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-11-17 16:52:37 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
What are the new bonuses? I haven't checked them out yet.


The Naga is a Tier 3 Battlecruiser that sacrifices durability for the ability to fit large (Battleship-grade) weapons.

Traits
Battlecruiser Skill bonus per level:
5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage
10% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret optimal range

Role Bonus:
95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Hybrid Turrets
50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Hybrid Turrets
50% reduction in the capacitor need of Large Hybrid Turrets

Development
The Naga was designed in YC 109 by Corporate Police Force as an anti-Guristas ship, sacrificing the usual robust Caldari Navy standards in favor of supporting battleship-class weaponry. It was rejected by Hyasyoda management for being overspecialized.

The Naga design remained in the Hyasyoda archives, forgotten (save for a cameo in the Gallente holo-series CPF Blue). In YC 113 the Caldari Navy entertained contracts for a new tier of gunboat battlecruiser. Hyasyoda quickly submitted and won with the Naga, underbidding both Kaalakiota and Ishukone.

The Naga is effective in any campaign where fast, mobile firepower is required.
Havegun Willtravel
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
#17 - 2011-11-17 17:05:02 UTC
As it stands now it's a very nice gun boat, but honestly I don't think that was what anyone wanted.

Every race has a few ships that have a launcher high or 2 but it truly is Caldari's main weapon system.

The simple question is this. How many Caldari pilots have torp's or cruise 5 trained vs large hybrid 5 ? Every other race got to play to their main weapon systems strengths except the Caldari.

As it stands I can see the Naga being more popular with Galente pilots than Caldari.
Opertone
DERUS ORDER
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#18 - 2011-11-17 17:08:58 UTC
Ok, CPP, this is how you treat us?

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OT Smithers
Did he say Jump
Dock Workers
#19 - 2011-11-17 22:24:21 UTC
Sam Bowein wrote:
I think CCP chose the easiest way to deal with the Naga.

Making a viable missile t3 BC would mean fixing cruise and torps Lol


Yep.

So much for CCP's new direction. This BS tells you all you need to know about that.
OT Smithers
Did he say Jump
Dock Workers
#20 - 2011-11-17 22:27:30 UTC
Havegun Willtravel wrote:
As it stands now it's a very nice gun boat, but honestly I don't think that was what anyone wanted.

Every race has a few ships that have a launcher high or 2 but it truly is Caldari's main weapon system.

The simple question is this. How many Caldari pilots have torp's or cruise 5 trained vs large hybrid 5 ? Every other race got to play to their main weapon systems strengths except the Caldari.

As it stands I can see the Naga being more popular with Galente pilots than Caldari.


Obviously. It's not even a Caldari ship. It's a second Gallente BC. The typical Gallente pilot, even assuming they lacked any Caldari ship command skills at all, could be flying this baby maxed out in a week. The typical Caldari pilot, having no hybrid skills or gunnery skills to speak of, is looking at five or six months to use this ship properly. It's ridiculous.
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