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Is the Naga dead to you, or are you still excited for it?

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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#181 - 2011-11-30 08:06:07 UTC
Vrykolakasis wrote:
I just found out the Naga didn't have any missile slots - the first thought through my head was that my client was malfunctioning and I would need to petition it.

I find it completely absurd that the missiles were cut from the design, and I find it equally absurd that people are defending the choice. Yes, the Naga should be a valuable sniper ship, like it is, but it should also have some versatility, like the original design. A versatile ship isn't overpowered... it's just versatile. You can't be a sniper and a torpedo spammer at the same time, but you should be able to choose which one you are. That was one of the reasons the Naga was *going* to be so cool... you had options.

I think CCP should balance their decision on this one... listen, a little, to the players who want to keep it the way it is. Then listen to the players who want to change it to have missile slots as well. Then grow some freaking brains and give it missile slots.

I usually don't get so angry about dev decisions, but this is ridiculous.

missing the point

It could do either of those, but it could do neither of them particularly well...the other BC's walked all over it no matter how it was fitted.

As is, it's quite a respectable ship.

thhief ghabmoef

TheMahdi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#182 - 2011-11-30 08:58:15 UTC
naga please
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#183 - 2011-11-30 13:58:56 UTC
Katabrok First wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Katabrok First wrote:
Better completion times than using that fat raven


Guess for an OLD player your missile skills suck.


Well man, see for yourself...

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Katabrok_First

Kata


So I guess it's not the missile skills that suck.
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
#184 - 2011-11-30 14:47:47 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
Katabrok First wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Katabrok First wrote:
Better completion times than using that fat raven


Guess for an OLD player your missile skills suck.


Well man, see for yourself...

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Katabrok_First

Kata


So I guess it's not the missile skills that suck.

Not to sound like an old man, but how old are you my boy?

When the rokh launched, the usual fit for a Raven was with cruise missiles, and the dps using them wasn't stellar. I had better completion times using the rokh, so diferently from what you try to imply, the problem was not with my skills as player. I tried torps, and they were marginally good against BS, but what you won against them you'd lose against BCs and down. And if I recall correctly, it is necessary more skill to fly a gun boat than a missile boat, right? So, try not to be all smug and smart before you know the full history.

Cheers,
Kata
Vrykolakasis
Sparrowhawks Corp
#185 - 2011-11-30 16:59:21 UTC
My rage post is a good example of why to sleep before posting .

I'd still like to see missiles on it... but I suppose I don't actually care *that* much.
Federigo Mondial
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#186 - 2011-11-30 18:06:07 UTC
Guys don't get your panties in your bunch.
Finally we got a 700 dps boat @ 100 km that is insta-hit....And you guys are whining ?

Come on.
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#187 - 2011-11-30 18:20:37 UTC
Federigo Mondial wrote:
Guys don't get your panties in your bunch.
Finally we got a 700 dps boat @ 100 km that is insta-hit....And you guys are whining ?

Come on.


72 days until t2 railguns.....

Worth it just for the Naga!

Naga please!
Lady PimpStar
Storm Chasers.
All My Friends Are Ded
#188 - 2011-11-30 18:23:45 UTC
Federigo Mondial wrote:
Guys don't get your panties in your bunch.
Finally we got a 700 dps boat @ 100 km that is insta-hit....And you guys are whining ?

Come on.



First time all Caldari toons would have unrestricted access to 8 torp ship like the State Raven. Weather or not the torps are crap doesn't matter it's the fact we could fit them even if it would be fail fit.

I don't want to lose the rail configuration but would at least like the fittings and hard points to be restored.
Cambarus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#189 - 2011-11-30 18:58:22 UTC
Lady PimpStar wrote:
Federigo Mondial wrote:
Guys don't get your panties in your bunch.
Finally we got a 700 dps boat @ 100 km that is insta-hit....And you guys are whining ?

Come on.



First time all Caldari toons would have unrestricted access to 8 torp ship like the State Raven. Weather or not the torps are crap doesn't matter it's the fact we could fit them even if it would be fail fit.

I don't want to lose the rail configuration but would at least like the fittings and hard points to be restored.

8 torps with no bonus is the same as 6 torps with the ROF bonus the raven has. The ship would have been terrible, CCP buffed it, and in doing so are encouraging caldari people to train hybrids (the fact that so few have is because there weren't many decent hybrid boats to begin with, so stop complaining that CCP introduced one)
mavrick1
waistland prospecters
#190 - 2011-11-30 19:02:18 UTC
i do not like the naga but the talos is a good ship and i like it and i am still playing around with it for the most part i just do not like the lines on the naga but for the most part the talos is a very pretty lady

under the radar is where i fly i make my isk like very one

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#191 - 2011-11-30 19:39:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jake Warbird
Katabrok First wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Katabrok First wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Katabrok First wrote:
Better completion times than using that fat raven


Guess for an OLD player your missile skills suck.


Well man, see for yourself...

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Katabrok_First

Kata


So I guess it's not the missile skills that suck.

Not to sound like an old man, but how old are you my boy?

When the rokh launched, the usual fit for a Raven was with cruise missiles, and the dps using them wasn't stellar. I had better completion times using the rokh, so diferently from what you try to imply, the problem was not with my skills as player. I tried torps, and they were marginally good against BS, but what you won against them you'd lose against BCs and down. And if I recall correctly, it is necessary more skill to fly a gun boat than a missile boat, right? So, try not to be all smug and smart before you know the full history.

Cheers,
Kata


Are you referring to my real age or my Eve age which you so parade around here? I get better completion times with my CNR with rigors compared to my Rokh and I don't agree with what you said. Maybe I can't fly a turret boat well. Maybe you can't fly a missile boat well. So if I don't agree with you you'd call me out on my age?Anyways,all I did say was your missile skills didn't suck and you STILL have a problem with it? Roll

Anyways, not gonna reply further. Fly safe,old man. o7
Vel Jong
Hidden Task Inc.
#192 - 2011-11-30 19:50:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Vel Jong
Im disappointed, if i want fly a Turret Boat i take one of the others i realy wanted to have a Missile Boat here Evil
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#193 - 2011-11-30 20:34:52 UTC
t2 naga with cruise and torp bonuses maybeh?
xSynnx
Hole Punchers
I Could Do Better
#194 - 2011-11-30 20:59:16 UTC
So much QQ about Naga...

If you ONLY have missiles trained as a caldari pilot... you havent been playing Eve long enough. When you reach the point of "Ok im within 2% of my max missile potential, what should i train next?" the obvious course of action (to me) would be to train the weapon system for the other half of my race's (Caldari) ships.

Granted, i admit you have to train a whole new set of primary/secondary/tertiary skills, but dont you at least want to fly your races ships? Having played for so long i dont claim any races ships as my own anymore, only to say that i dont like caldari. That being said i have trained all turret based weapons (T2) of all sizes and even Missiles, T2 up to Heavy and HAM's. As i said before i dont particularly care for Caldari boats.

As a Caldari player if your still QQ'ing about turrets... your still young.

-XS
Tusen Takk
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#195 - 2011-11-30 21:03:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tusen Takk
im training hybrids just to fly the naga

check this out:
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f331/timmyjimmy1/Capture-63.png

forgot to put a midslot in but whatever

[Naga, pewpew+profit]

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Lady PimpStar
Storm Chasers.
All My Friends Are Ded
#196 - 2011-11-30 21:11:25 UTC
Cambarus wrote:
Lady PimpStar wrote:
Federigo Mondial wrote:
Guys don't get your panties in your bunch.
Finally we got a 700 dps boat @ 100 km that is insta-hit....And you guys are whining ?

Come on.



First time all Caldari toons would have unrestricted access to 8 torp ship like the State Raven. Weather or not the torps are crap doesn't matter it's the fact we could fit them even if it would be fail fit.

I don't want to lose the rail configuration but would at least like the fittings and hard points to be restored.

8 torps with no bonus is the same as 6 torps with the ROF bonus the raven has. The ship would have been terrible, CCP buffed it, and in doing so are encouraging caldari people to train hybrids (the fact that so few have is because there weren't many decent hybrid boats to begin with, so stop complaining that CCP introduced one)



We are looking for the "Raven up close" that was marketed. Why do you want to force specialization? What a awesome idea to have a ship that could do both weapon systems only to find out it's just one now..

Maybe Navy Issue Naga 1200 + DPS torp power house will make up for it :p <-- Cross fingers PirateIdea
Sophisto
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#197 - 2011-11-30 21:39:33 UTC
xSynnx wrote:
So much QQ about Naga...

If you ONLY have missiles trained as a caldari pilot... you havent been playing Eve long enough. When you reach the point of "Ok im within 2% of my max missile potential, what should i train next?" the obvious course of action (to me) would be to train the weapon system for the other half of my race's (Caldari) ships.

Granted, i admit you have to train a whole new set of primary/secondary/tertiary skills, but dont you at least want to fly your races ships? Having played for so long i dont claim any races ships as my own anymore, only to say that i dont like caldari. That being said i have trained all turret based weapons (T2) of all sizes and even Missiles, T2 up to Heavy and HAM's. As i said before i dont particularly care for Caldari boats.

As a Caldari player if your still QQ'ing about turrets... your still young.

-XS



What he said.. except I happen to like flying Caldari and as such am grateful for anything CCP sends my way!
Sophisto
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#198 - 2011-11-30 21:45:21 UTC
Lady PimpStar wrote:
Cambarus wrote:
Lady PimpStar wrote:
Federigo Mondial wrote:
Guys don't get your panties in your bunch.
Finally we got a 700 dps boat @ 100 km that is insta-hit....And you guys are whining ?

Come on.



First time all Caldari toons would have unrestricted access to 8 torp ship like the State Raven. Weather or not the torps are crap doesn't matter it's the fact we could fit them even if it would be fail fit.

I don't want to lose the rail configuration but would at least like the fittings and hard points to be restored.

8 torps with no bonus is the same as 6 torps with the ROF bonus the raven has. The ship would have been terrible, CCP buffed it, and in doing so are encouraging caldari people to train hybrids (the fact that so few have is because there weren't many decent hybrid boats to begin with, so stop complaining that CCP introduced one)



We are looking for the "Raven up close" that was marketed. Why do you want to force specialization? What a awesome idea to have a ship that could do both weapon systems only to find out it's just one now..

Maybe Navy Issue Naga 1200 + DPS torp power house will make up for it :p <-- Cross fingers PirateIdea


I can also appreciate this as I too was looking for the glass cannon. Right down to the screenshots from the contest art we see launchers but after reading the arguments of the Drake, Tengu, and Raven I think this was smart of CCP to offer something different in hybrids other then training 3 months for a Vulture, and then still only fitting medium turrets.
Kiljaedenas
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#199 - 2011-11-30 21:57:18 UTC
I'm Caldari and personally the Naga is the only one of the new battlecruisers I'd be willing to try. I'm also surprised at how much hate there is on the Rokh, properly fitted it is a very good long range sniper that can hit farther, tank better and cost less than its Gallente counterpart the Megathron.

I can definitely see Nagas getting used a LOT in Nullsec in the future.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#200 - 2011-11-30 22:22:41 UTC
Jesus, guys, SHUT UP!

It's got a rotating RADAR dish on it ... and you're looking for other reasons to fly it?

It rotates. Spins.

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