EVE General Discussion

here is a idea maybe i should convo every single alliance/corp that rents regardless of who they rent from and organise them into 1 fighting force gotta be a good amount of players in all them alliances, enough at least to make a credible play for a region or 2. could call it The Peasants Revolt

No, it's not themepark. Once again, that's just your new talking point.

What's really themepark is playing timezone ping pong. Every day you have to log in and retake the **** you lost while you were asleep.

What you want is a WoW battleground. What you want is PvP on demand, because you want it. Go back to your kiddie ride, go back to your instant gratification. Because that's not EVE.

LMAO. PvP on demand, yes, I want to PvP when I'm online. That's called sandbox. You go places and if shite happens you pvp. The timer system is pure themepark. You need to look up the definition because you're very confused I think :)

Hahahaha good one.

Oh wait, you were serious.... bwahahahahaha

I strongly doubt you can't get PvP when you are online. Prolly not the kind of PvP you want, or a 100% win situation.
Nope, CCP won't come, hold your hand and give you the keys to the Kingdom. But you can keep entertaining us.

You can get a 100% win situation. All you do is get 37000 people in a coalition. Get CCP to implement timers so you can drop as many of those 37000 people as possible onto anyone attacking your stuff, not when they attack it, but when you decide you want to defend it.

CCP does come and hold your hand, they'll even reinforce the node for you so you can bring as many people as possible to prevent any smaller entity, outside of your timezone from taking anything from you, then you can hold onto the keys of the kingdom as long as you like.



LMAO. Pot.

IZ's basic thinking is not necessarily a bad thing. I get that he wants timers removed to make Sov Warfare more dynamic. It opens up opportunities for the "little guy" and could make Sov more interesting. I think where he, and others making these suggestions, fail is in the alternative.

You can't simply remove timers and the system ping-pong is not a better paradigm so the question becomes:

Remove timers and replace it with ________________ ...?

EvE's primary selling point is its "sandbox" nature. CCP simply neglects to mention that Sov warfare is one basic boring themepark ride. That's why people come to EvE and get disappointed with the fleet fights, basically because they're just the same thing WoW battlegrounds, or any of the other realm PvP games except super laggy and buggy..

Kaarus here's a tip for you. A themepark is a repeatable identical and predictable ride. Sov Warfare is a repeatable identical predictable ride. Its always the same, there is only one way to start a sov fight, you reinforce, you wait, you turn up, you pew pew down each others HP.

How you're incapable of understanding that is concerning but I guess we're all not born the same eh...

This has nothing to do with solo or soloers. As I have stated before I have no interest in Sov warfare in its current form. There are games that offer more interesting sov PvP than EVE. In fact, EvE would have to offer the WORST mass pvp of any game on the market. Unless of course you like disconnecting repeatedly, having modules not functioning, black screening over 10 hours of 10% Tidi.

If they implemented a proper functioning playable mode of mass pvp I would be all for it. But in its current form it is about equal to a very buggy alpha.

LOL because POCOs are Sov? Hahaha.



Is there an alternative? During the HED-GP fight there were a dozen threads about how to fix the broken nature of Sov and power projection. I don't want the little guy dicked over. I also don't want to **** over CFC into having to re-win the space they've earned. But doesn't something have to give?

Hmmm IZ does have a point. In it's current state the powerful are given too many options.

If the largest coalition is given 24 hours notice before any of their structures can be taken down (and thus systems taken over), they are given enough time to gather the numbers they need to defend said structure. Since they have more members than any other coalition, they are in affect able to defend any and all structures as no other coalition can match that. The only way for them to lose (on paper) is to be attacked by multiple coalitions whose combined numbers exceed theirs.

This isn't broken in and of itself, it just depends what CCP wants out of the game. Do they want the most powerful entities to be almost untouchable? If so, keep the mechanics as is.

I do believe the game would be better however if they were more vulnerable. Perhaps reduce timers to 1 hour.
It then becomes a logistics issue. If a large alliance is organized well enough, they can have themselves setup in time to respond to attacks against any structures in their space.
If you don't have enough members for such a logistical plan, you should not be owning that much space. As simple as that.

Basically what I see happening is: Massive coalitions don't want to have to commit to the logistics that would be required to defend their space without 24 hour timers. As a result these coalitions control more space than they usually would be able to defend in a game without timers.

Considering the current state of null - where these massive coalitions own almost everything - I don't see how this change would be bad. It would force them to either increase their logistics or to cut down on how many systems they own, opening the landscape up to more players.