Player Features and Ideas Discussion

good job making drone scope chips worthless again.

also @dinsdale, its much more a nerf to low/null pve which relies more on ishtars than it is to hisec.

TBH, this hurts gardes more than any other drone type, as those other drone types get enough range as it is, people were only stacking tons of omnis so they could get garde's to shoot at the range of the longer-range drones rather than actually switching to longer range drones. Garde's also have crap falloff.

That said, my anomaly-running ishtar with 4 DDAs and 3 omnis, getting 817 dps at 79km optimal was a bit ridiculous.

I am glad to see that Fozzie is at least paying lip service to the notion that sentries need to have significant upsides over other weapon systems to make them worth using. This nerf isn't that huge, what worries me is that there are surely more nerfs to come.

Give us drone range and damage implants in exchange?




They already do... if you target the drone.


ALSO, this:

This change hurts these boats more than the ishtar and domi, despite the ishtar and domi arguably being the impetus for the change.

Easier to quit flying drone ships than messing with stuff...

With 79km gardes and a warp-in, you can get by with literally no tank. Ishtar permaruns a mar and AB with 1 cap recharger. at 70km warpin nothing hits you, doesn't matter if its a forsaken hub, sactum, or the 12 ship waves from a haven. If you wait long enough grand admirals will start to plink you, but even then i can tank quite a bit of them before i actually need to hit the ab and start orbiting. If you primary the long range BS, you won't even get your shields taken down before stuff dies. In other words, it would work against any faction. It works so well that even if my gardes get their ranged nerfed slightly, I don't think I'll need to adjust my fit at all. And if it does get too difficult, i can always use longer ranged drones. As for missions, I can fit a plenty-large tank on while still rocking 2 DDAs and a t2 sentry rig. MWD to range, kill stuff with 723 dps (or 786 with 3 ddas and a rig). I can even dual prop it if i want. Or add a 1600 RT no problemo. In actual deadpsace complexes, its a bigger issue, but I always have wardens in my back pocket.

I agree sentry stratios/proteus are hurt by this, but if they were okay before then this certainly hasn't 'killed' them. Cap use could be an issue on the gila or stratios. You just won't be getting 50-60km gardes so easily anymore. Curators, bouncers, and wardens aren't nearly affected as much by this (drones whose lower dps is made up by longer range and hitting on weakest resist). The scope rig nerf sucks, at least for the geddon/phoon/Ndomi/domi/Rsnake. I don't think scope chips are common on cruisers, but I might be mistaken. In particular, my rattlesnake is very sad about this development.

Tracking loss from omnis seems mostly irrelevant for PVE purposes, except as a minor inconvenience.

Again, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. This change is one i find fairly easy to swallow.

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I find it rather remarkable that, while it's generally agreed that Drone Mechanics have, for years, been in dire need of some love from the Dev team (let's be honest - Drone Mechanics should have been addressed prior to balancing the hulls, as, once it finally occurs, it will necessitate re-working of several ships of various classes, both Tech 1 & Tech 2, and possibly re-balancing of entire ship classes, causing double work - but I digress), the first of two aspects (the other being a nerf of the tank of Fighters and Fighter Bombers) of said portion of Eve to get any attention is a relatively small change that will directly address one of the primary complaints of the largest of the nullsec power blocs, a 'downside,' to quote Fozzie's OP, that, it seems, must be addressed immediately, while any corresponding 'upside,' again quoting Fozzie, will have to await a later release that deals with more of the Drone Mechanics than simply Omni's.

There are other, even more easily modified aspects of Drone Mechanics, that could have been addressed at any point in time, such a swapping the Damage Modifiers between the Minmatar and Amarr sub-Sentry drones, something that has repeatedly been asked for in these very forums, so as to improve Amarr drones to the point where they would be useful, and bring the drone damage/speed/EHP numbers into line. This has been requested by both the PVP and PVE communities, but has never been deemed worthy of attention. Other, similar examples are available, should you search the forums.

Instead, this is the first change.

So, yes, we have our questions.

INK is flying Maelstroms to great success.

You mean.. you wil ahve to dedicate the same number of module to range and damage that a normal battleship would for guns? MINUS the 6-8 gun modules themselves ?

PREPOSTEROUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This will put an extra cap drain especially on smaller drone ships.

Are you going to adjust the cap recharge rate on those ships to compensate?

Or is this an across the board drone ship nerf.

Added cap drain effects all offensive and defensive systems on a ship.

The passive mid slot omnis are becoming active with scripts, so how about giving us a low slot passive omni without scripts? TCs already have TEs for turrets. Give drone boats some love too with similar modules.

And how about giving us a feature for allowing the use of sentries while maintaining alignment, just like every other combat ship can already do? Sentries that warp to your ship like fighters when you leave grid or sentries that can attach to the ship's hull, if desired, and while attached can travel with the ship in alignment and warp in that way.

That would probably be strongly OP. Moving sentries would become incredibly tanky, and having battleship dps with pimped-vargur-tracking won't help that.

With that, sentries would just surpass EVERY other weapon system by a huge margin...