Player Features and Ideas Discussion

When out solo it will basically force you to dual box or pass up every fight opportunity in systems with MSI's, warping to them is almost certain death as they can hide bubbles (or fast locking hard tackle in lowsec). Engaging anything else in a system with any unknowns in local and one of these on scan without visually checking first is basically a dice roll.

And even when out with a gang all that forcing the need for a certain roles in fleet does, is take up human resources and raising the barrier to participation (while many of us will simply bring dual boxed link ships to fill the role, not everybody has access to that resource after all).

Just a couple of thoughts:

As it currently stands with the latest scan and warp speed changes, the time it takes a hunter to enter a system, find a target, warp, and point is ridiculously low. Additionally, the warp changes have made warping away even harder for prey.

There seems to be a weird assumption that hunters should have it easy and prey should have it hard. All of the advice to prey who are doing anything besides PvP in a system is basically to warp or cloak when local spikes. And because that’s the only option available to prey, AFK cloakers can shut down a system. The MSI actually provides options that reduce the “power” of the AFK cloaker. He can’t just sit there and present a possible threat; he has to warp around to present an actual threat.

While I can understand some of the dismay over the upcoming "shell game," I don't see any inherent problems with making the hunter have to work more than 30 seconds to find and point prey. The shell game also has an easy counter: throwaway alts in shuttles. I’ve also not seen anyone propose the counter use of MSIs against a shell game. They have a whole bunch of MSIs placed? You setup a whole bunch of MSIs. Better yet, you get there first and you put MSIs on every anomaly. Hide and seek works both ways. I can think of lots of other ways to use these against other players who are using them and for other offensive purposes.

As for the suggestion that ships inside the MSI field not be able to d-scan, that’s absurd. The hunter has only a 30km bubble in the system that he can’t scan. The prey in that scenario would have an entire system he can’t scan. That’s not an equal tradeoff; especially since nothing prevents the hunter from scanning down the MSI or in any way prevents him from finding or engaging the prey.

Personally, I’m happy to see that a scout has to do more than enter local, read the local member list, and spam d-scan.

Completely NONSESNE! If you know your group is considerably larger that is when you dont give a **** for the MSI and warp your fleet direclty to it and balst the smaller group!


People simply have no clue how other players act in eve?

Sorry I'm a bit off my game lately, can you please inform me what strong opinion lead financier of the nullsec cartel is supposed to have on them so that I may adopt it? Thanks.

Increase the build cost to say... 20m isk instead of 5m isk. They won't be spammed in Anomalies, because they cost as much as you earn in the anomaly, and they are single use objects.

By the way, the MSI hides cosmic signatures...sort of. The sig still shows on the scanner. It shows as a red sphere in the solar system map. But scan probes cannot see a sig near a MSI. Drop one on a wormhole and that wormhole cannot be scanned out.

Of course if they have an expanded probe launcher and combat probes they can find the MSI, warp to it and find the wormhole. If they got that equipment and are willing to do it.

A cloaked ship also can't do anything while it's cloaked, with the exception of warp away if it falls under the covops domain. Ships inside the AOE field of this thing retain all of their functionality. They retain perfect intel via Local and d-scan, while those outside of the AOE field lose that capability.

They sky is certainly not falling; it's just begun to rain even more ****.

So it's going to break exploration as well? Congratulations CCP, I think this is probably your biggest fuckup since WiS

To be honest, I do not consider myself a regular WH'er, so I may not have the relevant experience.

I would think these can be deployed a little too close to a tower (40 km's means you can have a large portion of assets within the force field hidden from scan. Outside of this, what is truly changing?

How do you envision these breaking WH activity?

Someone obfuscates their WH Farming fleet -- So you warp a covops to the site and see what's there? That takes what, maybe an extra 45 seconds? Capitals will be sieged/tTriaged, so it won't change your ability to hit them by much. And wrecks sure as hell aren't going to be within the nice 30 km's coverage area, so pinpointing where they are at won't be hard at all!

Next, you could obfuscate the size of a force entering a WH by deploying these ahead of time -- So what.... anyone in an inty or T3 can get eyes on them easily.

Next, you could have a trap setup in the WH with a bunch of ships hidden by these -- Well gee... I see a MSI on scan... what moron wouldn't investigate such a thing, seeing as it is put up to hide ships at that location, and had to be done recently. These things can be reconned so easily that players will generally stay logged off rather than risk giving intel to the enemy about your readiness.

What am I missing, because none of these are, "OMG the sky is falling scenarios!".

There is still a risk (if you aren't watching carefully enough for sigs), which is really the only thing making the amounts of isk you can make fair, and that can definitely be exploited with skill. Except now someone trying to get a warpin might have a hell of an uphill struggle to find them and get tackle.