Player Features and Ideas Discussion

But you cant really can you, i dont see the point of this unit. You can scan the unit down and warp to it, and then youll find whats there, so i dont get the point of it. or am i missing something.

The first thing you will do now is scan for these straighaway knowing they could be something there. i dont get it

This will be just as unbalanced as all the other "wouldn't it be cool if" ideas and it will, just as all the other ideas, create massive problems which you can't control because us players WILL find hilarious ways to break it and mess stuff up.

Seriously Fozzie, don't do this because once you introduce it you can't wish it away any more.

you are missing that there will be 10 or more of these in system. Each one with a drag bubble on it.. and smartbomb battlehips killing all your scouts trying to find the real fleet. At same time the real fleet can eve change locations.

ITs will nto be impossible.. but will be a HELISH pain in the ass and need suicidal people by the dozens.

Except that you will not be able to know who is plexing and where. You cannot relay ond-scan to find them: looks empty becuase nobody is there or because there's a MSI thing? you will have always to warp in ALL the plexes in the system to find out.

Already now the system is balanced to advantage plexers: I'm plexing, I see you warping to the gate, I decide: if I want to engage I stay otherwise I warp away. The MSI add a further advantage for the plexer.

Not if you're in a wormhole.

Currently, hiding from d-scan requires smarts. You can find places off d-scan to hide assets that can hide non-cloaked ships, and use cloakies with all the disadvantages therin. What you CAN'T do is hide an entire cap escalation fleet, or build up forces without the enemy being able to know composition.

There's nothing stopping a corp putting up ten or twenty with bubbles anchored within them, screwing over anyone hunting for more than long enough to allow disengagement from the sleepers or preparation for PVP. You need a lot of scouts, or you have to be using cloaky/nulli T3s which is just pushing one ship into being the only option for a particular role, something Eve is supposedly against.

It can simultaneously be used to remove even more of the risk from PvE and to add an advantage to an invading fleet, and while that might seem balanced all it's going to do is MAKE BOTH SIDES LESS LIKELY TO FIGHT. This is the exact opposite of what we need.

Okay, in k-space you know there's someone there, you know their NUMBERS, you know exactly where they could be coming from (barring wormhole exits), but in w-space there's a lot less information and a lot more variables, and this will allow non-cloaky ships to come through a wormhole without giving away exact composition, which is just going to mean more people hide behind their POS shields and we get less good fights. No longer does hiding from d-scan require a cloak or clever/lucky placement out of d-scan range. The enemy will know that SOMETHING is coming, but that could be one T1 cruiser from a high or nullsec entrance screwing with the big scary wormholers by anchoring a bubble on the hole, or it could be a fifty-man T3 gang with a bubble already anchored to pull your scout right into the middle of them, and you have physcally no way of knowing any more.

Yeah Wormhole space is not most of my experience is. But i think the best emergent gameplay that can appear is from wholespace. But needs to be better balanced than current proposal.

This thing should in fact appear in OVERVIEW, not needing a probe to find it. THen I think we might have it balanced.

I liked the suggestion from another forum member about the proximity MJU. Maybe a 15km proximity and every ship in it jumps.

wait.....it takes 20sec for you to be able to activate it so time to get away from it (battleships etc maybe not), doesn't have to be activated straight away or even by the person who dropped it (Bit like a "Go ahead, theres the button, push it" sort of thing. or I'm scrammed somebody push my button, or even the MJU is scrammable if you lock and scram before the end of the 12sec activation time).
maybe a 100km jump in a random direction. when deployed theres the 20secs to get away (if you can) or close in to jump with all involved in the jump. you stay locked to targets when you MJD anyway. maybe not deployable in high sec or even low sec.

even a new wormhole anomaly effect, also including battleship MJDs. sort of "these wormholes have a proximity effect of ??km on all Jump Drives"

Doubt I'll use any of these deployables, but a proximity jump would be a great effect to watch on someone's Twitch stream or youtube.



(sorry if someone else has already thought of this, I couldn't be bothered to read all the replies)

No, you anchor them in the plex that you and your fleet are sitting in. Anyone who Dscans that plex would have to assume that everyone in local is in that plex, and would have to bring a fleet capable of countering that.

Regardless of whether there is actually just one person in it sitting in a merlin, or twenty all sitting in daredevils.

I would be curious to read some CSM members' takes on these new mechanisms.
I would think that some of them would have VERY strong opinions about them.

Now this is a good idea. Warpable beacon in overwiew and not usable inside plexes.

Still I think MSI is bad, but at least in this way their damage to the gameplay could be limited.