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High Sec Income vs Null Sec Income - the reality

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Gustaf en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#741 - 2013-11-18 03:45:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Gustaf en Gravonere
So I actually moved to null and tried your little plexing strategy as a source of income, nothing to due with you but joined a corp that had logistics to get me down there. My conclusion is your assertions are totally full of ****. Your touching little story about how you're a nomadic null traveller just trying to make a buck is complete horse**** to anyone who's done anything like what you're describing before. First of all, you need to be more or less based out of somewhere. You seem to be implying that you are doing all this off one account, to keep with the 'casualness' of the whole ordeal. So what you are trying to tell us, is that you are using one nomadic super-awesome ship, based out of nowhere, to scan, run the plexes and also salvage? What you are implying is this magical one-ship-does all:

1) scans
2) runs plexes
and 3) salvages/loots.

This means that your magical ship has 1 high slot taken up by a probe launcher, another high slot taken up by a cloak, and a third high slot taken up by a salvager or tractor beam (you dont mean to tell us you slowboat around the plex looting at 100m/s, do you?) Where's your DPS? So your ship can at best run 6/10 anoms, definitely not Havens, and 6/10s are worth like, 25m each at best. In case you didn't notice, the NPCs in the higher end plexes hit hard and require a good amount of DPS to kill quickly. This implies you are using a very shiny ship fitted for the task if you want to solo them.

Then you have to move all this crap, including the salvage (which you also need to buy and fit a noctis in the area to really do efficiently) to some kind of station where you are "based", and sort and organize it, and every once in a while scan down a WH chain (the chaunces of a WH straight to low or hi sec are close to zero, mostly null spawns WHs to Class 5+s, then you have to scan down to a class 3, then to low/hi from there). You will be lucky if the station you are based out of spawns an appropriate WH to C5 once every week or two, and then you will spend an hour or two scanning down a chain to empire space. All these practical issues you don't talk about, like how when you enter that C5 wormhole it has 14 signatures and it's a pain in the ass to scan them all down and find the WHs and explore those WHs and scan down the 12 signatures in the next WH looking for an empire exit. Then you jump all the way back, fit into your freighter, which you have had to buy down in the null area you are based, and safely get back to your station (no easy feat, with all the gate camps), then warp it out through all the wormholes, into low sec, and survive the low sec gatecamps back to Jita or whatever, sell your crap, then slowboat all the way back through all the holes back to null.

Oh and since you're doing this off one account all casual and all, that means you have to blindly leap through gates in your shiny plex-runner ship while you're dicking around in null trying to find the next plex to run. Which means that in a few days you're going to find yourself in a bubble placed on a gate and dead as dead since your tech3 cruiser, BS or whatever plexer ship is dead meat to a gate camp who points you instantly.

And what about those days where you want to go plex and oh hey, 857 people in local? what's this, a huge battle going on in the whole area? time to log off since you're not getting your plexing ship alive out of there, whole day wasted of no isking.

Your story reeks of theorycrafting and not of reality and it seems like you haven't even tried what you preach because you seem to have forgotten about all these details I just mentioned about the actual nuts and bolts of doing what you're saying - plexing in null without any outside support. And yes, despite all precautions, a gang who did some research and grew to know i was around in the area plexing in my shiny ship regularly, eventually hunted me down and had guys on both sides of all gates in the area and eventually caught my shiny ship and killed it, negating all the profit I had made down here in general, not to mention losing my implants, which anyone who is spending any long time anywhere will have - after all, you do want to keep training up skills, don't you?

summary:
your nomadic jack-of-all-trades, live-off-the-land fantasy is a complete fabrication. see main points:
1) you need an alt to scout for your shiny ship, or it will quickly die to gate camps, don't BS us, you know if you get caught in a bubble you die
2) wormholing your way out back to empire is not as quick or easy as you say, and may involve moving slow, vulnerable ships through hostile WH space as well as its probable low sec exit and subsequent gate camp between low and high
3) you can't use the same ship to scan, haul, salvage and plex, unless you're running crap plexes which negates your whole point about your billions of isk you make doing it
4) if you spend a considerable amount of time in an area plexing, people will notice and hunt you. if you're totally nomadic, you are going to get screwed by gate camps that separate the various regions.
5) you are claiming to be flying around shiny ship, salvagers and freighters around in null blindly with camps everywhere and no scout, and no base to retreat to. you will die asap and also get podded back to empire.

you can't survive in a shiny ship in null without intel, and you can't have intel without an alt. so your strategy is bogus and only applies to having a reasonably solid base, logistics, and a scouting alt.

And guess what, after a month dicking around in null plexing, i'm back to dual boxing missions in hisec because it's way more money and i dont have to spend hours not making profit while hiding in cloak while gang #958 is roaming the area hunting down my shiny ship. Basically confirms every point everyone has made about why your story is total bogus.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#742 - 2013-11-18 07:35:57 UTC
Gustaf en Gravonere wrote:
So I actually moved to null and tried your little plexing strategy as a source of income, nothing to due with you but joined a corp that had logistics to get me down there. My conclusion is your assertions are totally full of ****. Your touching little story about how you're a nomadic null traveller just trying to make a buck is complete horse**** to anyone who's done anything like what you're describing before. First of all, you need to be more or less based out of somewhere. You seem to be implying that you are doing all this off one account, to keep with the 'casualness' of the whole ordeal. So what you are trying to tell us, is that you are using one nomadic super-awesome ship, based out of nowhere, to scan, run the plexes and also salvage? What you are implying is this magical one-ship-does all:

1) scans
2) runs plexes
and 3) salvages/loots.

This means that your magical ship has 1 high slot taken up by a probe launcher, another high slot taken up by a cloak, and a third high slot taken up by a salvager or tractor beam (you dont mean to tell us you slowboat around the plex looting at 100m/s, do you?) Where's your DPS? So your ship can at best run 6/10 anoms, definitely not Havens, and 6/10s are worth like, 25m each at best. In case you didn't notice, the NPCs in the higher end plexes hit hard and require a good amount of DPS to kill quickly. This implies you are using a very shiny ship fitted for the task if you want to solo them.

Then you have to move all this crap, including the salvage (which you also need to buy and fit a noctis in the area to really do efficiently) to some kind of station where you are "based", and sort and organize it, and every once in a while scan down a WH chain (the chaunces of a WH straight to low or hi sec are close to zero, mostly null spawns WHs to Class 5+s, then you have to scan down to a class 3, then to low/hi from there). You will be lucky if the station you are based out of spawns an appropriate WH to C5 once every week or two, and then you will spend an hour or two scanning down a chain to empire space. All these practical issues you don't talk about, like how when you enter that C5 wormhole it has 14 signatures and it's a pain in the ass to scan them all down and find the WHs and explore those WHs and scan down the 12 signatures in the next WH looking for an empire exit. Then you jump all the way back, fit into your freighter, which you have had to buy down in the null area you are based, and safely get back to your station (no easy feat, with all the gate camps), then warp it out through all the wormholes, into low sec, and survive the low sec gatecamps back to Jita or whatever, sell your crap, then slowboat all the way back through all the holes back to null.

Oh and since you're doing this off one account all casual and all, that means you have to blindly leap through gates in your shiny plex-runner ship while you're dicking around in null trying to find the next plex to run. Which means that in a few days you're going to find yourself in a bubble placed on a gate and dead as dead since your tech3 cruiser, BS or whatever plexer ship is dead meat to a gate camp who points you instantly.

And what about those days where you want to go plex and oh hey, 857 people in local? what's this, a huge battle going on in the whole area? time to log off since you're not getting your plexing ship alive out of there, whole day wasted of no isking.

Your story reeks of theorycrafting and not of reality and it seems like you haven't even tried what you preach because you seem to have forgotten about all these details I just mentioned about the actual nuts and bolts of doing what you're saying - plexing in null without any outside support. And yes, despite all precautions, a gang who did some research and grew to know i was around in the area plexing in my shiny ship regularly, eventually hunted me down and had guys on both sides of all gates in the area and eventually caught my shiny ship and killed it, negating all the profit I had made down here in general, not to mention losing my implants, which anyone who is spending any long time anywhere will have - after all, you do want to keep training up skills, don't you?

summary:
your nomadic jack-of-all-trades, live-off-the-land fantasy is a complete fabrication. see main points:
1) you need an alt to scout for your shiny ship, or it will quickly die to gate camps, don't BS us, you know if you get caught in a bubble you die
2) wormholing your way out back to empire is not as quick or easy as you say, and may involve moving slow, vulnerable ships through hostile WH space as well as its probable low sec exit and subsequent gate camp between low and high
3) you can't use the same ship to scan, haul, salvage and plex, unless you're running crap plexes which negates your whole point about your billions of isk you make doing it
4) if you spend a considerable amount of time in an area plexing, people will notice and hunt you. if you're totally nomadic, you are going to get screwed by gate camps that separate the various regions.
5) you are claiming to be flying around shiny ship, salvagers and freighters around in null blindly with camps everywhere and no scout, and no base to retreat to. you will die asap and also get podded back to empire.

you can't survive in a shiny ship in null without intel, and you can't have intel without an alt. so your strategy is bogus and only applies to having a reasonably solid base, logistics, and a scouting alt.

And guess what, after a month dicking around in null plexing, i'm back to dual boxing missions in hisec because it's way more money and i dont have to spend hours not making profit while hiding in cloak while gang #958 is roaming the area hunting down my shiny ship. Basically confirms every point everyone has made about why your story is total bogus.

Heh....

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Dangirdas Bachir
The Exiled Titans
Two Vargurs one Hole
#743 - 2013-11-18 08:12:54 UTC
Holy ******* ****, I'm satisfied when I make 400k ISK from mining in high sec in 10 minutes.

EVE EVE STARGALACTIC CITY B I T C H
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#744 - 2013-11-18 08:22:38 UTC
Dangirdas Bachir wrote:
Holy ******* ****, I'm satisfied when I make 400k ISK from mining in high sec in 10 minutes.

join a renter

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Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1
Doomheim
#745 - 2013-11-18 08:23:56 UTC
Gustaf en Gravonere wrote:
So I actually moved to null and tried your little plexing strategy as a source of income, nothing to due with you but joined a corp that had logistics to get me down there. My conclusion is your assertions are totally full of ****. Your touching little story about how you're a nomadic null traveller just trying to make a buck is complete horse**** to anyone who's done anything like what you're describing before. First of all, you need to be more or less based out of somewhere. You seem to be implying that you are doing all this off one account, to keep with the 'casualness' of the whole ordeal. So what you are trying to tell us, is that you are using one nomadic super-awesome ship, based out of nowhere, to scan, run the plexes and also salvage? What you are implying is this magical one-ship-does all:

1) scans
2) runs plexes
and 3) salvages/loots.

This means that your magical ship has 1 high slot taken up by a probe launcher, another high slot taken up by a cloak, and a third high slot taken up by a salvager or tractor beam (you dont mean to tell us you slowboat around the plex looting at 100m/s, do you?) Where's your DPS? So your ship can at best run 6/10 anoms, definitely not Havens, and 6/10s are worth like, 25m each at best. In case you didn't notice, the NPCs in the higher end plexes hit hard and require a good amount of DPS to kill quickly. This implies you are using a very shiny ship fitted for the task if you want to solo them.

Then you have to move all this crap, including the salvage (which you also need to buy and fit a noctis in the area to really do efficiently) to some kind of station where you are "based", and sort and organize it, and every once in a while scan down a WH chain (the chaunces of a WH straight to low or hi sec are close to zero, mostly null spawns WHs to Class 5+s, then you have to scan down to a class 3, then to low/hi from there). You will be lucky if the station you are based out of spawns an appropriate WH to C5 once every week or two, and then you will spend an hour or two scanning down a chain to empire space. All these practical issues you don't talk about, like how when you enter that C5 wormhole it has 14 signatures and it's a pain in the ass to scan them all down and find the WHs and explore those WHs and scan down the 12 signatures in the next WH looking for an empire exit. Then you jump all the way back, fit into your freighter, which you have had to buy down in the null area you are based, and safely get back to your station (no easy feat, with all the gate camps), then warp it out through all the wormholes, into low sec, and survive the low sec gatecamps back to Jita or whatever, sell your crap, then slowboat all the way back through all the holes back to null..........
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Sounds like someone died in null... :P

You also don't have your facts right.

For one the OP states he has an alt guarding the acceleration gates, thus he has more than 1 account.
Secondly the OP states he goes whever the WH takes him, which means he is based out of high most likely and heads to null for these sessions.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#746 - 2013-11-18 08:27:45 UTC
Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1 wrote:
Sounds like someone died in null... :P

You also don't have your facts right.

For one the OP states he has an alt guarding the acceleration gates, thus he has more than 1 account.
Secondly the OP states he goes whever the WH takes him, which means he is based out of high most likely and heads to null for these sessions.




OP is also known to often lie about things to try to back up their arguments.
bla4711
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#747 - 2013-11-18 08:40:59 UTC
Gustaf en Gravonere wrote:
blablabla


You could have saved lots of time by simply posting like the other goon shitposter in this thread
like baltec1 for example.

Instead you produce a wall of text full of bs to just proof how ******** you are like the common gd-poster.

Just to give you a hint as i don't want to waste my time to comment your complete shitpost ... gatecamps .... bubbles .... ever heard of interdiction nullifiers and cloaks? No? Come back after school, lowbird. Lol
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#748 - 2013-11-18 08:51:28 UTC
bla4711 wrote:
Gustaf en Gravonere wrote:
blablabla


You could have saved lots of time by simply posting like the other goon shitposter in this thread
like baltec1 for example.

Instead you produce a wall of text full of bs to just proof how ******** you are like the common gd-poster.

Just to give you a hint as i don't want to waste my time to comment your complete shitpost ... gatecamps .... bubbles .... ever heard of interdiction nullifiers and cloaks? No? Come back after school, lowbird. Lol


And now you have a t3 with its offensive subsystem taken up with the covert option rather than the higher damage option which means you have three high slots taken up with no weapons and what you have left could be as low as just two missile launchers.

So yea, you can avoid bubbles and every camp going but you cant do anything with it.
bla4711
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#749 - 2013-11-18 08:57:48 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
bla4711 wrote:
Gustaf en Gravonere wrote:
blablabla


You could have saved lots of time by simply posting like the other goon shitposter in this thread
like baltec1 for example.

Instead you produce a wall of text full of bs to just proof how ******** you are like the common gd-poster.

Just to give you a hint as i don't want to waste my time to comment your complete shitpost ... gatecamps .... bubbles .... ever heard of interdiction nullifiers and cloaks? No? Come back after school, lowbird. Lol


And now you have a t3 with its offensive subsystem taken up with the covert option rather than the higher damage option which means you have three high slots taken up with no weapons and what you have left could be as low as just two missile launchers.

So yea, you can avoid bubbles and every camp going but you cant do anything with it.


That gimps like you are unable to do anything with it is clear. No need to repeat.

But i suggest back to eft for this lesson .....
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#750 - 2013-11-18 09:05:21 UTC
bla4711 wrote:


That gimps like you are unable to do anything with it is clear. No need to repeat.

But i suggest back to eft for this lesson .....


Please, show us lowly null dwellers this cloaky nullified t3 that can probe and salvage while dealing enough firepower to do 10/10s. Clearly the people who have lived in null space for most of the last decade have little knowledge on this subject and need the help of high sec warriors whom cannot even work out how to not get ganked in the heart of empire high sec.
Xenien 0r181247
Doomheim
#751 - 2013-11-18 10:01:26 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
There is always a lot of talk on the forums from the null sec cartel crowd about the profitability of high sec mission running, especially in comparison to null sec.

There are often calls to nerf nerf nerf missions in high sec and buff null sec to encourage people to move out of high sec.

About a month ago somebody ask me to test out my theory that null sec income is already vastly superior to high sec, which I believed to be true, based on my observations of null seccers running sanctums in complete safety in deep null.

So I took it upon myself to grab a couple of battleships, sneak them through a wormhole and run some sanctums myself in Goonsec.

I made around 80 million isk per hour. However I suspected that I could do quite a lot better so I did a bit of research and fitted out a passive Proteus and run some combat sites.

I made between 100 and 500 million an hour depending on the drops but the going was quite slow and I had a lot of sites stolen before completion since I'm plexing in hostile space. So I did some more research and discovered that a properly fit Ishtar can run virtually any serpentis / guristas null site.

Yesterday I made 1 billion isk in 45 minutes running The Maze, a few minutes before that I ran a Guristas Military Operations Complex and made an additional 500 million or so. Apart from the modules I looted 2 faction BS BPC's worth 600 million. I think in total I made 2 billion on both sites. About 2 hours worth of combat sites.

I can easily make a billion isk per day running between 2 and 5 sites. Sure some don't drop anything, but the majority do. The Guristas Military Operations site has 3 guaranteed (1 Hac, 2 BS) dread guristas spawns plus a 100 million in OE. The Maze is guaranteed to drop 160 mill OE and will usually drop Pith X-Type loot worth hundreds of millions.

The most common sites can be run in minutes, with a good chance at a DG battleship or an escalation to a DG BS.

I will never waste my time running L4 missions, or even L5 missions when even as a ninja plexer, who needs to cloak up for hours sometimes when Goons come into system with their silly probes, can make a billion or more a day.

Can you imagine how much alliance peeps are making having stations, fitting, friends and complete safety that I don't have the luxury of having.

Given that, what is this rubbish about L4's and their amazing profitablity??? Curious minds would like to know.


Whilst this may be true the issue is that only a few pilots per day can run these sites, what about the thousands of others?

The competition is insane.

In HS you can run lvl4 missions for as long as you can stay conscious for in relative safety. Yeah the isk isn't great, but the difference is that you can run them non-stop and you are not competing with anybody else so you more or less have a guaranteed income.

Hence the number of bots running L4's


ever heard of a pirate?
Prince Kobol
#752 - 2013-11-18 10:15:32 UTC
bla4711 wrote:


That gimps like you are unable to do anything with it is clear. No need to repeat.

But i suggest back to eft for this lesson .....



Please show everybody this amazing T3 fit that you have that can probe / salvage / covert cloak and run 10/10

Oh that is right you cant because no such fit exists Big smile
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#753 - 2013-11-18 11:25:51 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
Zappity wrote:
I've been wandering through null in an alt lately. I see HEAPS of combat sites available in both NPC and sov null. I don’t understand why anyone would run missions in highsec.


Because
  • people don't need that much money for comfortable (hi-sec) gameplay.
    • [/list]


    What 'gameplay' is there in highsec apart from mission running?



    huntign and killing mission runners...

    "If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
    Gustaf en Gravonere
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #754 - 2013-11-18 12:08:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Gustaf en Gravonere
    Prince Kobol wrote:
    bla4711 wrote:


    That gimps like you are unable to do anything with it is clear. No need to repeat.

    But i suggest back to eft for this lesson .....



    Please show everybody this amazing T3 fit that you have that can probe / salvage / covert cloak and run 10/10

    Oh that is right you cant because no such fit exists Big smile


    Exactly. Once I tried what the OP was blabbing about I quickly realized you need a lot more than one ship. And in addition to my scout alt I also had to rely on corp mates with eyes in various surrounding systems. Regularly I'd get trapped in a pipe system by a gang camping both sides who knew I was in there and had no way to leave. Usually a few hours of logging off (and therefore wasting time) before they'd leave. Not to mention there are some alliances based down there who grow to know you and hunt you too, on their home turf, again i pointed out how being totally nomadic is utter horsesh**t because you can't hold enough loot in your plexing ship to make efficient money off it, you need a station and a freighter. This is not even to mention how much time scanning down suitable WHs actually takes, which is quite a lot, time that could be spent making isk in incursion or mission.

    At this point I think the highest reliable safe income is dualboxing or tripleboxing missions, if you put out a combined total of 3000 dps (which is easy, since you dont need probe launcher, cloak or any other gimp stuff) and you have 3 guys who can pick up missions (only one dock per 3 missions), needless to say you blaze through the content. AE in less than 30 minutes. I also would never multibox with expensive ships in null (Vindicator + Mach + CNR) as every pirate in the area starts salivating the moment they see your vindi on d-scan and call all their buds. which again brings us back to sitting in cloak for hours wasting time. Such comes the list of contradictions:

    - if you have a fit that can survive in null, it can't do enough DPS to do 10/10s
    - if you have a fit that can do enough DPS to do 10/10s, it can't loot or salvage quickly, probe or cloak
    - if you do neither 10/10s nor loot/salvage your income potential is total garbage. An Angel Fortress for example pays out a total of 36M and takes easily over 30-40 minutes to finish, there are 2 rooms, and 30 battleships total along with tons of smaller ships, it takes at best 55 seconds to kill a battleship with a gimp fit 600 DPS, so here you go, the math shows your income potential is 50M per hour WHILE PLEXING now subtract all the time spent hiding, scanning, travelling.

    50M per hour for a whole lot of BS to deal with once you include all the risks, 110+ per hour multiacct missioning no risk no hassle all day every day. I think it goes without saying you plex the toons easily from the income and you can always sell them later on character bazaar.
    Kahetha
    Eclipse of Darkness
    #755 - 2013-11-18 13:14:41 UTC
    Oh you silly person you, trying to bring logic or facts into an argument. Lol
    It is not about the actual profitability of high vs 0.0 in terms of isk/time or isk/effort or isk/risk of whatever. It's just that in EVE the "PVPers" are and I'm sure always have been and always will be the biggest crybabies out there.
    Killing all the juicy ohwaitImeandefenseless targets in highsec requires slightly more effort than ctrl+click F1, F2, etc... So they imagine the fabled land of no-sec where they can freely shoot whatever they want and cry as hard as they can in the hope that the defenseless ships floating around win highsec will pop op they so they can "PVP" them easier.
    Jenn aSide
    Worthless Carebears
    The Initiative.
    #756 - 2013-11-18 13:21:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
    Kahetha wrote:
    Oh you silly person you, trying to bring logic or facts into an argument. Lol
    It is not about the actual profitability of high vs 0.0 in terms of isk/time or isk/effort or isk/risk of whatever. It's just that in EVE the "PVPers" are and I'm sure always have been and always will be the biggest crybabies out there.
    Killing all the juicy ohwaitImeandefenseless targets in highsec requires slightly more effort than ctrl+click F1, F2, etc... So they imagine the fabled land of no-sec where they can freely shoot whatever they want and cry as hard as they can in the hope that the defenseless ships floating around win highsec will pop op they so they can "PVP" them easier.
    Quote:
    Sky Boxers
    Northern Associates.


    Why do you always get these blindingly insane posts about how other people suck from guys in RENTER alliances who don't have enough balls to organize and take their own space in the game? You know, guys who really should be trying to come off as all superior to anyone while they are handing other people isk for their living space like a high school janitor....

    It's like a guy renting a roach infested 1 room apartment in the ghetto yelling "look at those stupid people with their mortgages for mutli-room houses with actual back yards and home equity that they can borrow against, the fools"! lol.
    Tauranon
    Weeesearch
    CAStabouts
    #757 - 2013-11-18 14:15:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
    baltec1 wrote:
    bla4711 wrote:
    Gustaf en Gravonere wrote:
    blablabla


    You could have saved lots of time by simply posting like the other goon shitposter in this thread
    like baltec1 for example.

    Instead you produce a wall of text full of bs to just proof how ******** you are like the common gd-poster.

    Just to give you a hint as i don't want to waste my time to comment your complete shitpost ... gatecamps .... bubbles .... ever heard of interdiction nullifiers and cloaks? No? Come back after school, lowbird. Lol


    And now you have a t3 with its offensive subsystem taken up with the covert option rather than the higher damage option which means you have three high slots taken up with no weapons and what you have left could be as low as just two missile launchers.

    So yea, you can avoid bubbles and every camp going but you cant do anything with it.


    Proteus can do the maze covops/nullified - the subs let you exchange the turret slot you need for probe launcher or cloak for a dronebay which preserves the dps. I would find it painful because med blasters are painful, and there would always be a worry that the first spawn has too many dire pithum mortifiers whilst flying a very pricey ship, but the thing would probably escape anyway as it has a 100m3 dronebay to chaff with.

    salvager is a strawman, nothing to salvage in the maze that I'm aware of.

    In any case reinvig is easy covops nullified and its worth more per run than the maze.

    The main issue is in fact that you'd probably have to run ammo in a tokyo express fit to the nearest npc station to the area you wanted to work.
    baltec1
    Bat Country
    Pandemic Horde
    #758 - 2013-11-18 17:18:41 UTC
    Tauranon wrote:


    Proteus can do the maze covops/nullified - the subs let you exchange the turret slot you need for probe launcher or cloak for a dronebay which preserves the dps. I would find it painful because med blasters are painful, and there would always be a worry that the first spawn has too many dire pithum mortifiers whilst flying a very pricey ship, but the thing would probably escape anyway as it has a 100m3 dronebay to chaff with.

    salvager is a strawman, nothing to salvage in the maze that I'm aware of.

    In any case reinvig is easy covops nullified and its worth more per run than the maze.

    The main issue is in fact that you'd probably have to run ammo in a tokyo express fit to the nearest npc station to the area you wanted to work.


    Thats the point I was making. A t3 can do 10/10s just not with all of that stuff.

    Biggest issue is that you cannot support even a hundred people on these things in a region and we have tens of thousands to support.
    bla4711
    Center for Advanced Studies
    Gallente Federation
    #759 - 2013-11-18 17:42:33 UTC  |  Edited by: bla4711
    baltec1 wrote:
    Tauranon wrote:


    Proteus can do the maze covops/nullified - the subs let you exchange the turret slot you need for probe launcher or cloak for a dronebay which preserves the dps. I would find it painful because med blasters are painful, and there would always be a worry that the first spawn has too many dire pithum mortifiers whilst flying a very pricey ship, but the thing would probably escape anyway as it has a 100m3 dronebay to chaff with.

    salvager is a strawman, nothing to salvage in the maze that I'm aware of.

    In any case reinvig is easy covops nullified and its worth more per run than the maze.

    The main issue is in fact that you'd probably have to run ammo in a tokyo express fit to the nearest npc station to the area you wanted to work.


    Thats the point I was making. A t3 can do 10/10s just not with all of that stuff.

    Biggest issue is that you cannot support even a hundred people on these things in a region and we have tens of thousands to support.


    Lol As i said ... the usual goon shitposter .... first it is impossible at all then it is impossible to dps and now it is impossible to support ...... and dickheads like you without the slightest clue call other poster liars ..... Lol
    baltec1
    Bat Country
    Pandemic Horde
    #760 - 2013-11-18 18:00:41 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
    bla4711 wrote:


    Lol As i said ... the usual goon shitposter .... first it is impossible at all then it is impossible to dps and now it is impossible to support ...... and dickheads like you without the slightest clue call other poster liars ..... Lol


    I am still saying it is impossible to do all of those things with a single t3.

    What I just said is that there are not enough sites to support a hundred people in a region let alone the tens of thousands we have. If you actually read what I am saying then you wouldn't have made yourself look as daft as you just did.

    But if you go back and read what the OP said, they apparently used battleship (no nullifier or cov ops cloak) and working in GSF space.

    So, there are no stations and no POS to work from as a base, and IZ was wandering around in our space alone in a BS. Even when deployed in a war there are people left behind who would be very happy to hunt down a solo BS wandering around our space looking for sanctums.