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Can we do something about the idiots in highsec already CCP?

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Baaldor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#521 - 2013-11-10 21:15:30 UTC
Teyla Amidale wrote:

Couldn't say it better. Been playing eve since 2007 and its getting worse.


You are wrong and completely clueless.
Odethia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#522 - 2013-11-10 22:00:27 UTC
Baaldor wrote:
Teyla Amidale wrote:

Couldn't say it better. Been playing eve since 2007 and its getting worse.


You are wrong and completely clueless.

He is right, back then this was quite a curiosity to see people get ganked, now it happen everywhere.
Even when you could only warp to 15km it almost never happened.

People discovered how cheap it is to get an alt into a Catalyst that pack way too much punch for their value and SP requirement.


Bye bye AFK traveling, CCP might as well get rid of the autopilot.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#523 - 2013-11-10 22:06:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Odethia wrote:
Baaldor wrote:
Teyla Amidale wrote:
Couldn't say it better. Been playing eve since 2007 and its getting worse.
You are wrong and completely clueless.
He is right, back then this was quite a curiosity to see people get ganked, now it happen everywhere.
No, he's not.
Back then, you could make a decent living from sitting on the Jita undock stealing gank loot. Now you can't.
Back then, you could see CONCORD clouds on pretty much every gate along the major pipelines. Now you don't.
Back then, mission hubs would be lit up on the map from fools being ganked for their faction fits. Now they're dim and even officer-fit ship fly around unmolested.

The notion that ganks were somehow rarer back then is only born out of misremembering how much business as usual they were — no-one took notice because that was just the way of things. These days, they are so rare that every gank is a major event that gets a lot of attention.

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Bye bye AFK traveling, CCP might as well get rid of the autopilot.
Not really, no. It's not the autopilot that makes travel dangerous, but people's increasing willingness to stuff too much valuables into their ships (something they'd be less willing to do, by the way, if ganks were more common).
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#524 - 2013-11-10 22:15:30 UTC
Odethia wrote:
Baaldor wrote:
Teyla Amidale wrote:

Couldn't say it better. Been playing eve since 2007 and its getting worse.


You are wrong and completely clueless.

He is right, back then this was quite a curiosity to see people get ganked, now it happen everywhere.
Even when you could only warp to 15km it almost never happened.

People discovered how cheap it is to get an alt into a Catalyst that pack way too much punch for their value and SP requirement.


Bye bye AFK traveling, CCP might as well get rid of the autopilot.


Ahahaha catalysts... it used to be essentially free to use a battleship to gank with, never mind a destroyer.

But don't let the facts get in the way of what your faith tells you.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#525 - 2013-11-10 22:44:31 UTC
it's not the organised ISK driven gankers, it's the plague of culties, miner gankers and AP gankers that's increased.

i started playing during hulkageddon V when this sort of thing was an event. now it's business as usual.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#526 - 2013-11-10 22:56:50 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Depends on who you ask. When you strip away all the rhetoric and rp, from what I can tell groups like CODE are mainly trying to keep miners awake and at their keys while they do what they do, rather than AFKminz0rz and botting. As such I can't really criticize that. Others do it because they can, or because of the reaction they get from it... or they do it because it is "what is best in life".

Actually CODE just do it for the Lolz to shoot everyone. They talk a rhetoric that they don't actually follow since they gank miners who are present also. And it gives them a huge scam of donations that they are making out like pirates on.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#527 - 2013-11-10 23:04:40 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
it's not the organised ISK driven gankers, it's the plague of culties, miner gankers and AP gankers that's increased.


Not really increased. Organized.

And they organized in both response and protest to the increasing trend of safety in highsec. They're fighting injustice the only way a neg ten can.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#528 - 2013-11-10 23:11:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Skeln Thargensen
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
it's not the organised ISK driven gankers, it's the plague of culties, miner gankers and AP gankers that's increased.


Not really increased. Organized.

And they organized in both response and protest to the increasing trend of safety in highsec. They're fighting injustice the only way a neg ten can.


if you say so. it's just getting a bit stale to be called 'emergent' content at this point.

and i might do a bit of white knighting myself. have an alt cooking at the moment. i'm just afraid it's not going to be very fun.

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#529 - 2013-11-10 23:13:57 UTC
If CCP could do something about "the idiots," in highsec, or in EVE, or anywhere, then they would be very rich.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#530 - 2013-11-10 23:17:27 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
it's not the organised ISK driven gankers, it's the plague of culties, miner gankers and AP gankers that's increased.


Not really increased. Organized.

And they organized in both response and protest to the increasing trend of safety in highsec. They're fighting injustice the only way a neg ten can.


if you say so. it's just getting a bit stale to be called 'emergent' content at this point.

and i might do a bit of white knighting myself. have an alt cooking at the moment. i'm just afraid it's not going to be very fun.


I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#531 - 2013-11-10 23:21:49 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.



we'll see. i ain't shootin for miners though, I'm gonna see if i can give these ganker guys the tip.

forums.  serious business.
Xinivrae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#532 - 2013-11-10 23:29:05 UTC
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Can we do something about the idiots in highsec already CCP?

I've been trying, but no matter how many times I gank them, they never learn. They just come on the forums and whine.
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Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.

I agree entirely and would also like this train of thought to extend to as many forms of gameplay as possible. Mining should require complex calculations to mine correctly otherwise you get nothing and the rock explodes taking your ship with it. PVE rats should have competent fleet formations and pvp fits with effectiveness on par with players. They should also always scramble and pod whenever they can.

All of this of course should only take place in low and null sec. Any profitable activity in highsec should be impossible. A perfect, sterile land of absolute peace, that no filthy player can disturb in any way.


...Or not.

I'm personally very happy that any new player can very quickly get into a position to completely ruin a much older player's day. It's a beautiful thing that they can have such an impact on the game so soon, and should only be encouraged.
Zedrik Cayne
Standards and Practices
#533 - 2013-11-10 23:39:24 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.

You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.

No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.

Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.

At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.

This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.

Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.


No...You are just wrong..So wrong, there is a FAQ for how wrong you are.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#534 - 2013-11-10 23:56:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Actually CODE just do it for the Lolz to shoot everyone. They talk a rhetoric that they don't actually follow since they gank miners who are present also. And it gives them a huge scam of donations that they are making out like pirates on.

According to the code no permit means you're a valid target, regardless of presence at the keyboard.

I mine occasionally on an alt, and I don't have a permit to do so; yet I never get ganked, because I know who the gankers are, I use a tanked ship and I operate in areas of highsec where they don't.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#535 - 2013-11-11 00:23:33 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.

You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.

No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.

Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.

At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.

This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.

Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.


High sec is not safe space, just the rules of engagement is more structured. I agree with a lot of your points but high sec was never meant to be safe, plus afk gaming is not actually gaming.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Sar Carstic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#536 - 2013-11-11 01:20:29 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.



we'll see. i ain't shootin for miners though, I'm gonna see if i can give these ganker guys the tip.


I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, and giving a bit back to those who feel like they are creating such interesting content for EVE by trotting out some mindless "code" and claiming to make people's lives better.
I look forward to the tears as I now also improve their lives - gank fit cats should pop like grapes. I'll be reasonable and charge a measly 10 million for a licence to allow you to gank miners for a year. OMG this will be amazing emergent content for EVE!
Actually no I wont sell licences, I'd hate to miss chance to gank someone who has bought one.

Gentlemen you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#537 - 2013-11-11 01:36:27 UTC
Sar Carstic wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.



we'll see. i ain't shootin for miners though, I'm gonna see if i can give these ganker guys the tip.


I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, and giving a bit back to those who feel like they are creating such interesting content for EVE by trotting out some mindless "code" and claiming to make people's lives better.
I look forward to the tears as I now also improve their lives - gank fit cats should pop like grapes. I'll be reasonable and charge a measly 10 million for a licence to allow you to gank miners for a year. OMG this will be amazing emergent content for EVE!
Actually no I wont sell licences, I'd hate to miss chance to gank someone who has bought one.


Selling someone a permit would give you a chance to gank someone who has bought one, because the person you sold the permit too would have just bought one, and you would have a chance to gank them.

Therefore, your rationale for not selling licenses is in fact a rationale TO sell licenses.

"I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, ....gank fit cats should pop like grapes."

If they should pop like grapes, then why would doing that relieve your boredom? Do you like popping grapes? why not do something difficult and target something that isn't defenseless like a gank-fit cat is, according to you; pop something with strong, recently buffed defenses, like a mining barge.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#538 - 2013-11-11 01:48:10 UTC
Sar Carstic wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.



we'll see. i ain't shootin for miners though, I'm gonna see if i can give these ganker guys the tip.


I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, and giving a bit back to those who feel like they are creating such interesting content for EVE by trotting out some mindless "code" and claiming to make people's lives better.
I look forward to the tears as I now also improve their lives - gank fit cats should pop like grapes. I'll be reasonable and charge a measly 10 million for a licence to allow you to gank miners for a year. OMG this will be amazing emergent content for EVE!
Actually no I wont sell licences, I'd hate to miss chance to gank someone who has bought one.


Good.

The whole point of The Code is to get people to actually play the game.

When you fight us, you make us happy. I highly recommend a sebo fit Omen by the way. Cheap, disposable, and plenty of output at a decent range.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kallen Kozukie
Channel Six News
#539 - 2013-11-11 02:39:56 UTC
No matter how you justify it, it's way too easy to make throwaway gank alts that do it till sec status bottoms out, then rinse and repeat. CONCORD was meant to curb that kind of activity, and making cheap lil destoyers in a month or so is just simply too much.

Something does need to be done about it.
Kallen Kozukie
Channel Six News
#540 - 2013-11-11 02:41:05 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Sar Carstic wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.



we'll see. i ain't shootin for miners though, I'm gonna see if i can give these ganker guys the tip.


I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, and giving a bit back to those who feel like they are creating such interesting content for EVE by trotting out some mindless "code" and claiming to make people's lives better.
I look forward to the tears as I now also improve their lives - gank fit cats should pop like grapes. I'll be reasonable and charge a measly 10 million for a licence to allow you to gank miners for a year. OMG this will be amazing emergent content for EVE!
Actually no I wont sell licences, I'd hate to miss chance to gank someone who has bought one.


Good.

The whole point of The Code is to get people to actually play the game.

When you fight us, you make us happy. I highly recommend a sebo fit Omen by the way. Cheap, disposable, and plenty of output at a decent range.



To play YOUR game you mean, to play THE game is something totally different.