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Can we do something about the idiots in highsec already CCP?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#561 - 2013-11-13 00:29:38 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs.


this is a stealth "buff autopilot" thread isn't it..

I really think the OP is trolling, he can't be that dumb to see whats wrong here.


Unfamiliar with Infinity Ziona, I see.

Yeah, he can be that dumb. We get a new one of these threads every time something comes along and upsets his applecart. Last time it was reinforcement timers, before that it was not being able to dock in someone else's sov.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Cage Man
Comms Black
Pandemic Horde
#562 - 2013-11-13 00:33:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Cage Man
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Anomaly One wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs.


this is a stealth "buff autopilot" thread isn't it..

I really think the OP is trolling, he can't be that dumb to see whats wrong here.


Unfamiliar with Infinity Ziona, I see.

Yeah, he can be that dumb. We get a new one of these threads every time something comes along and upsets his applecart. Last time it was reinforcement timers, before that it was not being able to dock in someone else's sov.

AFK cloaking is a complex task and requires you full attention.. you can't be an expert in the art of AFK and be expected to know about the other game mechanics at the same time..
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#563 - 2013-11-13 00:36:21 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
before that it was not being able to dock in someone else's sov.


that's ******* hilarious!

"WHY CAN'T I DOCK IN MY ENEMIES CONTROLLED SPACE?""
hmm not sure..

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#564 - 2013-11-13 00:41:21 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
before that it was not being able to dock in someone else's sov.


that's ******* hilarious!

"WHY CAN'T I DOCK IN MY ENEMIES CONTROLLED SPACE?""
hmm not sure..


Oh, I am not kidding either. Not only does IZ feel totally entitled to do this, but it's what started his crusade to change as many aspects of the game as possible to directly benefit himself.

If you wanted to dig through his posting record, you can find the saga of the shield tanked Proteus, too.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#565 - 2013-11-13 00:57:40 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


*snip*

If you wanted to dig through his posting record, you can find the saga of the shield tanked Proteus, too.


That is even more hilarious.

After all, Gallente ships are traditionally shield based....

Roll

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

Binchiette Ambrye
Doomheim
#566 - 2013-11-13 01:18:32 UTC
You totally forgot about all the posts of Ziona about 0.0 being safer than high sec and the risk running missions in high sec is much higher than the risk of ratting in 0.0.

The argument there was that in high sec you have suicide gankers who could come after you anytime while people in 0.0 are not silly enough to stay on field in PvE fitted ships when neutrals enter local and thus high sec being way more dangerous than 0.0.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#567 - 2013-11-13 01:45:00 UTC
Lol this is still going.

Kallrus is a bit of an exaggerator, to clear up some of his obvious trolling:

0.0 is a lot safer than high sec. Its vastly less populated, its very easy to spot an enemy (in my case everyone) entering system and you can kill a ganker (in my case everyone) before they attack you.

Kallrus is also obfuscating the not able to dock issue. I said hunting in deep null is very difficult because you cannot dock and refit, not that I should be able to dock and refit in everyone's stations. I solo warred a null sec alliance demanding they allow me to dock at one station, which they eventually did. I call that emergent gameplay and gameplay that is in line with EvE's intended playstyle (let me dock or I'll kill you) rather than whining about it and doing nothing.

As for the shield Proteus. I used that Proteus to attack and kill the above alliance who wouldn't let me dock. For a so called fail fit boat I managed a kill death ratio of 22/1 mostly BC and even a Nightmare, in it so I think it was proven to work, especially considering I was hunting in their hub system and there were up to 20 enemy in system while I was attacking people. Each booster charge provides 1800 pure shields, with an average of 80% resists and 10 charges you can do the math and see its an extremely functional boat.

Additionally it uses no cap for shields, its align time is 6 seconds vs 11 in an armor tank, it's a lot faster than an armor tanked boat and no ability to refit and repair made it a much more useful boat in null than an armor tanked buffer for obvious reasons.

Unfortunately Kallrus is one of those people who believe doctrine is more important than functionality and results and despite the 22/1 k/d he still refuses to believe its viable. Which is sheer stupidity but hey this is EvE forums.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Black Panpher
CastleKickers
#568 - 2013-11-13 02:09:09 UTC
I blame people being so bad at PVP they have to shoot people with no guns.
I for one am happy for people to make the ships and let me get them blown up in glorious combat, forever searching for the GF!

Peace X
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#569 - 2013-11-13 02:17:51 UTC
Black Panpher wrote:
I blame people being so bad at PVP they have to shoot people with no guns.
I for one am happy for people to make the ships and let me get them blown up in glorious combat, forever searching for the GF!

Peace X

Glorious combat scares your average ganker

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Binchiette Ambrye
Doomheim
#570 - 2013-11-13 02:26:49 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Lol this is still going.

As for the shield Proteus. I used that Proteus to attack and kill the above alliance who wouldn't let me dock. For a so called fail fit boat I managed a kill death ratio of 22/1 mostly BC and even a Nightmare, in it so I think it was proven to work, especially considering I was hunting in their hub system and there were up to 20 enemy in system while I was attacking people. Each booster charge provides 1800 pure shields, with an average of 80% resists and 10 charges you can do the math and see its an extremely functional boat.

Additionally it uses no cap for shields, its align time is 6 seconds vs 11 in an armor tank, it's a lot faster than an armor tanked boat and no ability to refit and repair made it a much more useful boat in null than an armor tanked buffer for obvious reasons.

Unfortunately Kallrus is one of those people who believe doctrine is more important than functionality and results and despite the 22/1 k/d he still refuses to believe its viable. Which is sheer stupidity but hey this is EvE forums.


Those Kills pretty much mean nothing, even a pvp fitted t1 cruiser would have been able to kill those ships, since they were PvE fitted Oracles with beams, which will not hit a cruiser on close range anyway. The number of ppl in system means nothing as well since just because 20 ppl are logged in it does not mean that they are really active in the system.

Go and kill 20 pvp fitted t3s in you shield proteus and I ll believe you... killing 20 ships which had no chance in fighting you in that situation does not proof anything.
Violet Crumble
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#571 - 2013-11-13 02:34:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Violet Crumble
Binchiette Ambrye wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Lol this is still going.

As for the shield Proteus. I used that Proteus to attack and kill the above alliance who wouldn't let me dock. For a so called fail fit boat I managed a kill death ratio of 22/1 mostly BC and even a Nightmare, in it so I think it was proven to work, especially considering I was hunting in their hub system and there were up to 20 enemy in system while I was attacking people. Each booster charge provides 1800 pure shields, with an average of 80% resists and 10 charges you can do the math and see its an extremely functional boat.

Additionally it uses no cap for shields, its align time is 6 seconds vs 11 in an armor tank, it's a lot faster than an armor tanked boat and no ability to refit and repair made it a much more useful boat in null than an armor tanked buffer for obvious reasons.

Unfortunately Kallrus is one of those people who believe doctrine is more important than functionality and results and despite the 22/1 k/d he still refuses to believe its viable. Which is sheer stupidity but hey this is EvE forums.


Those Kills pretty much mean nothing, even a pvp fitted t1 cruiser would have been able to kill those ships, since they were PvE fitted Oracles with beams, which will not hit a cruiser on close range anyway. The number of ppl in system means nothing as well since just because 20 ppl are logged in it does not mean that they are really active in the system.

Go and kill 20 pvp fitted t3s in you shield proteus and I ll believe you... killing 20 ships which had no chance in fighting you in that situation does not proof anything.


Oooh look, my pvp e-peen is bigger than your pvp e-peen. Wah, wah, wah.

A win is a win and there's more to fighting than just the fit, which is also important. These types of e-peen flashing arguments are ridiculous. The test of a pvp fight is who's ship is still standing at the end of the fight.

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Binchiette Ambrye
Doomheim
#572 - 2013-11-13 02:45:41 UTC
Violet Crumble wrote:
Binchiette Ambrye wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Lol this is still going.

As for the shield Proteus. I used that Proteus to attack and kill the above alliance who wouldn't let me dock. For a so called fail fit boat I managed a kill death ratio of 22/1 mostly BC and even a Nightmare, in it so I think it was proven to work, especially considering I was hunting in their hub system and there were up to 20 enemy in system while I was attacking people. Each booster charge provides 1800 pure shields, with an average of 80% resists and 10 charges you can do the math and see its an extremely functional boat.

Additionally it uses no cap for shields, its align time is 6 seconds vs 11 in an armor tank, it's a lot faster than an armor tanked boat and no ability to refit and repair made it a much more useful boat in null than an armor tanked buffer for obvious reasons.

Unfortunately Kallrus is one of those people who believe doctrine is more important than functionality and results and despite the 22/1 k/d he still refuses to believe its viable. Which is sheer stupidity but hey this is EvE forums.


Those Kills pretty much mean nothing, even a pvp fitted t1 cruiser would have been able to kill those ships, since they were PvE fitted Oracles with beams, which will not hit a cruiser on close range anyway. The number of ppl in system means nothing as well since just because 20 ppl are logged in it does not mean that they are really active in the system.

Go and kill 20 pvp fitted t3s in you shield proteus and I ll believe you... killing 20 ships which had no chance in fighting you in that situation does not proof anything.


Oooh look, my pvp e-peen is bigger than your pvp e-peen. Wah, wah, wah.

A win is a win and there's more to fighting than just the fit, which is also important. These types of e-peen flashing arguments are ridiculous. The test of a pvp fight is who's ship is still standing at the end of the fight.


Good job on totally not understanding the point i was making and turning it into something completly different. At no point in my post i was refering to being better than ziona and i also never said that the kills are not valid. All i am saying is that those kills do not proof in any way that Zionas shild proteus fit really is as good as Ziona claims.

And really what does my post have to do with any e-peen flashing, i was merely pointing out some facts.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#573 - 2013-11-13 02:51:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Binchiette Ambrye wrote:
Violet Crumble wrote:
Binchiette Ambrye wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Lol this is still going.

As for the shield Proteus. I used that Proteus to attack and kill the above alliance who wouldn't let me dock. For a so called fail fit boat I managed a kill death ratio of 22/1 mostly BC and even a Nightmare, in it so I think it was proven to work, especially considering I was hunting in their hub system and there were up to 20 enemy in system while I was attacking people. Each booster charge provides 1800 pure shields, with an average of 80% resists and 10 charges you can do the math and see its an extremely functional boat.

Additionally it uses no cap for shields, its align time is 6 seconds vs 11 in an armor tank, it's a lot faster than an armor tanked boat and no ability to refit and repair made it a much more useful boat in null than an armor tanked buffer for obvious reasons.

Unfortunately Kallrus is one of those people who believe doctrine is more important than functionality and results and despite the 22/1 k/d he still refuses to believe its viable. Which is sheer stupidity but hey this is EvE forums.


Those Kills pretty much mean nothing, even a pvp fitted t1 cruiser would have been able to kill those ships, since they were PvE fitted Oracles with beams, which will not hit a cruiser on close range anyway. The number of ppl in system means nothing as well since just because 20 ppl are logged in it does not mean that they are really active in the system.

Go and kill 20 pvp fitted t3s in you shield proteus and I ll believe you... killing 20 ships which had no chance in fighting you in that situation does not proof anything.


Oooh look, my pvp e-peen is bigger than your pvp e-peen. Wah, wah, wah.

A win is a win and there's more to fighting than just the fit, which is also important. These types of e-peen flashing arguments are ridiculous. The test of a pvp fight is who's ship is still standing at the end of the fight.


Good job on totally not understanding the point i was making and turning it into something completly different. At no point in my post i was refering to being better than ziona and i also never said that the kills are not valid. All i am saying is that those kills do not proof in any way that Zionas shild proteus fit really is as good as Ziona claims.

And really what does my post have to do with any e-peen flashing, i was merely pointing out some facts.

The point of the Proteus was to have a covert ops very agile ship with good dps that could remain in a deep null system and kill ratting / missioning ships quickly before their in system friends arrived.

Since I managed 22 kills and only died to a 17 ship hot drop I would say that's proof that the ship is viable at the task it was fitted for.

Edit: As for your claim a cruiser could have done the same thing, when you're tackling a ratting ship in a Sanctum you invariably have every ship in the sanctum switch target to you, which means tanking the whole site as well as killing the ship. A T1 cruiser could not do this.

Additionally I was tackled quite a few times at gates by multiple PvP ships and had to burn for the gate while webbed and scrammed, surviving until I got within 2km. In one case I jumped out with 30% armor. A T1 cruiser would have popped, a buffer fit Proteus would not have had the speed to make the jump before popping, in that situation you want a ASB burst tank.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
Brave Collective
#574 - 2013-11-13 03:47:45 UTC
Binchiette Ambrye wrote:
...
Good job on totally not understanding the point i was making and turning it into something completly different.....


That's all you're gonna get.
Also the claim that IZ was allowed docking rights by Tribe is a lie. Unless it was another null alliance you 'solo warred', if that's what lurking afk cloaked in a lolfit t3 with a falcon alt is called. Most guys do that with a bomber or recon, get kills and dock down the road at an npc station. Can't remember the one 5 jumps from PB but i still have stuff there from my own time sneaking around there.
At that time everyone in EvE was cruising over to PB to punch out Tribal Bads, IZ was probably the last person to make it there. Would really love to hear about how docking rights were forcefully obtained based on a few hauler and ratter kills, but probably just get twisted into some fitting argument or definition of efficiency or some other slimy obfuscation.

TL:DR; OP is a joke and a liar. Not a troll






Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#575 - 2013-11-13 04:16:03 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Binchiette Ambrye wrote:
...
Good job on totally not understanding the point i was making and turning it into something completly different.....


That's all you're gonna get.
Also the claim that IZ was allowed docking rights by Tribe is a lie. Unless it was another null alliance you 'solo warred', if that's what lurking afk cloaked in a lolfit t3 with a falcon alt is called. Most guys do that with a bomber or recon, get kills and dock down the road at an npc station. Can't remember the one 5 jumps from PB but i still have stuff there from my own time sneaking around there.
At that time everyone in EvE was cruising over to PB to punch out Tribal Bads, IZ was probably the last person to make it there. Would really love to hear about how docking rights were forcefully obtained based on a few hauler and ratter kills, but probably just get twisted into some fitting argument or definition of efficiency or some other slimy obfuscation.

TL:DR; OP is a joke and a liar. Not a troll


Simple check of my contracts will clearly show I was granted docking rights.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Col Arran
Doomheim
#576 - 2013-11-13 04:18:47 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.



No its not the game they designed, if you have really been here since the beginning you would know that previously you could evade CONCORD and completely escape getting your ship blown up from a gank or getting 3-4 successful ganks in an ice belt warping from the top to the bottom to evade CONCORD.

Ganking was a bigger issue then than it is currently.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#577 - 2013-11-13 04:28:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Col Arran wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.



No its not the game they designed, if you have really been here since the beginning you would know that previously you could evade CONCORD and completely escape getting your ship blown up from a gank or getting 3-4 successful ganks in an ice belt warping from the top to the bottom to evade CONCORD.

Ganking was a bigger issue then than it is currently.

While you can spin it that way to give an unrealistic view of the past, cost and sec loss were costly enough to keep it under control, one suicide pod was instant -5. To get that back was a good month of ratting in null.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#578 - 2013-11-13 04:52:30 UTC
Binchiette Ambrye wrote:

And really what does my post have to do with any e-peen flashing, i was merely pointing out some facts.


I have never seen facts get in the way of the discussion on Eve-O forums. E.g., this thread.

Buff facts.
Col Arran
Doomheim
#579 - 2013-11-13 04:56:40 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Col Arran wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.



No its not the game they designed, if you have really been here since the beginning you would know that previously you could evade CONCORD and completely escape getting your ship blown up from a gank or getting 3-4 successful ganks in an ice belt warping from the top to the bottom to evade CONCORD.

Ganking was a bigger issue then than it is currently.

While you can spin it that way to give an unrealistic view of the past, cost and sec loss were costly enough to keep it under control, one suicide pod was instant -5. To get that back was a good month of ratting in null.


Cost? You used to get insurance payout form suicide ganks, and no sec loss didn't keep it under control. One moth of ratting? More like 2 days of system chaining.
Tilly Delnero
Doomheim
#580 - 2013-11-13 05:24:19 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Or just do what the rest of us do.. fit some buffer and ignore them .. since their ganking model isnt sustainable against tanky ships.. costs too much

Coming from the person who has, according to their site, already donated a billion to the gankers (therefore making you a ganker by proxy) your vocal claims of opposition to the New Order are laughable at best.

To the OP: if you don't use autopilot you likely won't ever get ganked (unless you do something stupid like carry PLEX in a destroyer). Anyone that uses autopilot *deserves* to be ganked and mocked mercilessly; it's a stupid mechanic in a game that allows for nonconsensual PvP.