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Can we do something about the idiots in highsec already CCP?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#541 - 2013-11-11 02:41:21 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:


that's assuming direct profit is the motive rather than for the lolz or running a highsec extortion racket/cult.

but like i said, nerf its tank and it's just a very expensive retriever. no point to it at all.


It just needs its base tank reduced to the same as the hulk.
Sar Carstic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#542 - 2013-11-11 02:41:50 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:

Selling someone a permit would give you a chance to gank someone who has bought one, because the person you sold the permit too would have just bought one, and you would have a chance to gank them.

Therefore, your rationale for not selling licenses is in fact a rationale TO sell licenses.

"I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, ....gank fit cats should pop like grapes."

If they should pop like grapes, then why would doing that relieve your boredom? Do you like popping grapes? why not do something difficult and target something that isn't defenseless like a gank-fit cat is, according to you; pop something with strong, recently buffed defenses, like a mining barge.


No, if I sold someone a permit I would actually honour it. But I think the whole concept is ridiculous so was actually making fun of it.

Yes, I quite enjoy biting down on grapes and LOVE the feel and sound of them popping. Hunting the hunter and popping some nice little cat that is about to gank a miner will be tremendous fun - I appreciate your concern there, but I will be enjoying myself plenty, thanks.

And who knows, if I see a nice juicy miner sitting there I might just take your suggestion too - maybe there is something I am missing with all this miner ganking, might be worth a try as well.

Gentlemen you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#543 - 2013-11-11 02:47:28 UTC
Kallen Kozukie wrote:
No matter how you justify it, it's way too easy to make throwaway gank alts that do it till sec status bottoms out, then rinse and repeat. CONCORD was meant to curb that kind of activity, and making cheap lil destoyers in a month or so is just simply too much.

Something does need to be done about it.



That's a bannable offence.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#544 - 2013-11-11 02:48:35 UTC
Kallen Kozukie wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Sar Carstic wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I encourage you to give suicide ganking a try, if you haven't before. It's loads of fun and amusement.



we'll see. i ain't shootin for miners though, I'm gonna see if i can give these ganker guys the tip.


I couldn't agree more, this has tipped my hand as I have recently been a bit bored and feeling like doing some catalyst hunting, and giving a bit back to those who feel like they are creating such interesting content for EVE by trotting out some mindless "code" and claiming to make people's lives better.
I look forward to the tears as I now also improve their lives - gank fit cats should pop like grapes. I'll be reasonable and charge a measly 10 million for a licence to allow you to gank miners for a year. OMG this will be amazing emergent content for EVE!
Actually no I wont sell licences, I'd hate to miss chance to gank someone who has bought one.


Good.

The whole point of The Code is to get people to actually play the game.

When you fight us, you make us happy. I highly recommend a sebo fit Omen by the way. Cheap, disposable, and plenty of output at a decent range.



To play YOUR game you mean, to play THE game is something totally different.


No, not really. Unless you count afk/ tabbed out with a retriever ice mining while you watch Family Guy on Netflix as "playing the game".

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Sar Carstic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#545 - 2013-11-11 02:50:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Sar Carstic
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Good.

The whole point of The Code is to get people to actually play the game.

When you fight us, you make us happy. I highly recommend a sebo fit Omen by the way. Cheap, disposable, and plenty of output at a decent range.


So no one played EVE before the "CODE"?

That is good though, and I actually suspect there will only be a minority of coders that would be upset to get ganked. Bear in mind here, I was only having a poke at the code, I don't actively dislike it in any way, I think it is funny and no doubt does generate some game content for some people - just nowhere near as much as those who follow it seem to think sometimes. I do read James315 site fro time to time, and get a great laugh out of it quite frequently. In-game, meh.

I am also sure there are a lot who gank miners who don't give two sh*ts about the code, I'll be equally happy hunting them if they are in a cat.

I appreciate the advice, thanks. To make it fun, and to answer the previous poster about challenge, I am thinking to see if I can do it in a rookie ship perhaps, or something else a little more challenging.

Gentlemen you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#546 - 2013-11-11 02:58:51 UTC
Sar Carstic wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Good.

The whole point of The Code is to get people to actually play the game.

When you fight us, you make us happy. I highly recommend a sebo fit Omen by the way. Cheap, disposable, and plenty of output at a decent range.


So no one played EVE before the "CODE"?

That is good though, and I actually suspect there will only be a minority of coders that would be upset to get ganked. Bear in mind here, I was only having a poke at the code, I don't actively dislike it in any way, I think it is funny and no doubt does generate some game content for some people - just nowhere near as much as those who follow it seem to think sometimes.

I am also sure there are a lot who gank miners who don't give two sh*ts about the code, I'll be equally happy hunting them if they are in a cat.

I appreciate the advice, thanks. To make it fun, and to answer the previous poster about challenge, I am thinking to see if I can do it in a rookie ship perhaps, or something else a little more challenging.


Not that no one played EVE before The Code, but rather that more genuiely play it now, thanks to The Code.

Even you yourself have been motivated to action in response to those who follow The Code.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#547 - 2013-11-11 15:37:16 UTC
The genius of the code is that...

If you rage in local
If you post tear threads on the forums
If you try and form a resistance (how many have there been now lol)
If you change how you fit your ships
If you change how you mine/mission

then you are helping us achieve our goal. No longer are you a mindless afk slave, you are now more actively engaged with the game.

And that's what we want.

The only way to resist us is to do absolutely nothing differently, and if you do nothing different Mr Antimatter says hello and your ship goes byebye
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#548 - 2013-11-11 16:10:47 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
it's not the organised ISK driven gankers, it's the plague of culties, miner gankers and AP gankers that's increased.


Not really increased. Organized.

And they organized in both response and protest to the increasing trend of safety in highsec. They're fighting injustice the only way a neg ten can.


if you say so. it's just getting a bit stale to be called 'emergent' content at this point.

and i might do a bit of white knighting myself. have an alt cooking at the moment. i'm just afraid it's not going to be very fun.

Depends on your expectations. You are going to do a lot of waiting for anything to happen, you might think differently about how often ganks happen when you spend hours waiting for them to happen.

You won't get any good kills either most of the time unless you get a BC. But BC ganks are even rarer as they cost too much (both in isk and skill training/effort). Your best kills in general will be t2 fitted trashers and cata's. Expect a lot of cheap t1/meta fitted.

As for pods: most of them will be cheap or empty. "Getting pod kills in empire you say?!?! You must be joking!!", nope, there is always some lag when your boat splodes, more if many gankers partake in a single gank and sometimes they just aren't fast enough to respond. Often they don't make insta-dock bookmarks either so sometimes you can just wait on station dock for them to warp right into you.

Watch out with all gank/instalock-no tank white knighting btw. You won't be the first White knight that get's ganked instead of the miners he's trying to protect.

I did it several times, only during mass ganking events like hulkageddon, burn Jita's and interdictions. Even then you won't get much action cept during prime time.

Most of the 'fun' comes from mocking in local if you managed to fumble a gank and/or catch a pod. There's always one that's butthurt. But if that's your aim you're way better off ganking miners, plenty of targets and action pretty much when you want it.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
Primary Sector
#549 - 2013-11-11 20:31:22 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs.


lol, That's freakin' hilarious.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Zheng'Yi Sao
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#550 - 2013-11-12 19:55:23 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs.


Let us take out some of the distracting words.

Infinity Ziona wrote:
I autopiloted it to Jita ... (I) was podded.


Now, I do go to Harvard, but you don't need to be a Harvard student to figure out the solution here...

"It's funny the things you people think are mandatory for us, as if we don't do what we do because it's a hilarious good time in a space video game." - Johnny Marzetti

Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#551 - 2013-11-12 19:59:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghost Phius
Why is it not a surprise that in a game where the devs feel GREED IS GOOD that the players have adopted a GANKING IS GOOD policy. Shocked

Oh and autopiloting around in EVE will get you ganked m'k?
Cage Man
Comms Black
Pandemic Horde
#552 - 2013-11-12 20:30:13 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.

You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.

No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.

Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.

At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.

This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.

Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.


OMG.. Shocked almost choked on my coffee when I read this... you and your crew are proud null AFK cloakers who bug the hell out of null bears and you come complaining about HS not being safe.. wow.. just wow.. Roll

Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#553 - 2013-11-12 20:48:01 UTC
Cage Man wrote:


OMG.. Shocked almost choked on my coffee when I read this... you and your crew are proud null AFK cloakers who bug the hell out of null bears and you come complaining about HS not being safe.. wow.. just wow.. Roll


Cause, you know, bothering null sec miners/ratters/explorers/missioners and cloacking up when 2 other enter local is hardcore, while shooting at miners in high sec is plain griefing!

Roll
Anarkia Evangel
Apex Frontiers
#554 - 2013-11-12 22:12:45 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Anarkia Evangel wrote:
my Blockade Runner gets locked a lot running though high sec


If you cloak before warping they can't lock you.

Just saying.

And if you are on about when you undock, then use an instawarp.



Okay you missed the point I was making, but anyway, Empire is a busy place, blockade runners need space to cloak and run, and who wants to manually move there empty transports around empire space anyway?

And do you expect me to make an instawarp out of every station I visit on the off chance I need to instawarp out of it?

You are being unrealistic.
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#555 - 2013-11-12 23:08:23 UTC
Anarkia Evangel wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Anarkia Evangel wrote:
my Blockade Runner gets locked a lot running though high sec


If you cloak before warping they can't lock you.

Just saying.

And if you are on about when you undock, then use an instawarp.



Okay you missed the point I was making, but anyway, Empire is a busy place, blockade runners need space to cloak and run, and who wants to manually move there empty transports around empire space anyway?

And do you expect me to make an instawarp out of every station I visit on the off chance I need to instawarp out of it?

You are being unrealistic.


AFK-auto-piloting will realisticly get you locked (and (fail) ganked) in EVE yeah. The sollution would be not afk-auto-piloting.
Nivo Green
Perkone
Caldari State
#556 - 2013-11-12 23:31:52 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

I'm not interested in that rubbish. EvE Online is supposed to be a complex game, kills should earned. If you want to roleplay some idiot roleplay then fine, but you should still EARN your kills. Low skill easy kills please **** off and go to play a FPS already.


What do you consider skill and earning kills to be exactly. A hunter must only be better than its prey, nothing more, and I believe I am not alone when I say most highsec players do not set the bar very high for the hunters.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#557 - 2013-11-12 23:34:05 UTC
Anarkia Evangel wrote:
Okay you missed the point I was making, but anyway, Empire is a busy place, blockade runners need space to cloak and run, and who wants to manually move there empty transports around empire space anyway?
Anyone who wants to travel in safety. Also, since you noticed it being locked a lot while travelling, you're obviously sitting in front of the computer already, so cloaking to avoid those locks isn't asking much.

Quote:
And do you expect me to make an instawarp out of every station I visit on the off chance I need to instawarp out of it?
Yes. Chances are that they aren't all that many to begin with. Any station you visit with any regularity is worth the (minute) effort it takes to set up an insta — doubly so if it's in a recently well-populated system. Sure, if it's a particularly empty system, you probably won't since no-one is around to go after you, but even then, if you come there often enough…

Quote:
You are being unrealistic.
He's being solution-oriented and pragmatic. None of what he said is particularly unrealistic — it just require the tiniest amount of planning and effort. So maybe that's your complaint? He's not actually lazy?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#558 - 2013-11-12 23:43:40 UTC
Nivo Green wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

I'm not interested in that rubbish. EvE Online is supposed to be a complex game, kills should earned. If you want to roleplay some idiot roleplay then fine, but you should still EARN your kills. Low skill easy kills please **** off and go to play a FPS already.


What do you consider skill and earning kills to be exactly. A hunter must only be better than its prey, nothing more, and I believe I am not alone when I say most highsec players do not set the bar very high for the hunters.


This.

Folks, if our job is easy, it's only because our prey is so, so dumb. Low-hanging fruit? Yeah, probably. But somebody has got to eat it. And I have found that no matter how low, podfruit is just so yummy.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#559 - 2013-11-13 00:18:31 UTC
Anarkia Evangel wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Anarkia Evangel wrote:
my Blockade Runner gets locked a lot running though high sec


If you cloak before warping they can't lock you.

Just saying.

And if you are on about when you undock, then use an instawarp.



Okay you missed the point I was making, but anyway, Empire is a busy place, blockade runners need space to cloak and run, and who wants to manually move there empty transports around empire space anyway?

And do you expect me to make an instawarp out of every station I visit on the off chance I need to instawarp out of it?

You are being unrealistic.


This is why you all need to be exploded. This right here. Anyone who flies a blockade runner in null has literally hundreds of bookmarks, or will after a few losses. You are soft and squishy, you are fat on CONCORD's protection.
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#560 - 2013-11-13 00:25:01 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs.


this is a stealth "buff autopilot" thread isn't it..

I really think the OP is trolling, he can't be that dumb to see whats wrong here.

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