EVE General Discussion

There is always going to be people who like knocking down old ladies in the street and stealing their pension check irrespective of the consequences. No difference here with gankers. :)

Or you can just kill that handful of people as they are -10 anyway. Or gank them in turn and make a profit.

We have plenty of ways for dealing with gankers and there are already more than enough drawbacks to this activity.

You're describing the OP, presumably?

Indeed we do, which is why we keep offering realistic numbers, tactics, and assumptions to counter your fantasies.

Profit isn't always measured in material gain for the agressor. Killing a pod that turns out to have had 1b+ in implants means a 1b profit for the killer regardless of the fact that they got no implant ever. This is because they deprived the target of the benefits of those implants for the cost of being deprived their ship by CONCORD. The victim lost far more than the ganker. In some cases, the victim would then give the ganker entertainment via sending him/her an angry EVEMail, thus bestowing profit in "tears." Since EVE is a game, and is therefore intended to be played for entertainment, these types of reactions are worth the ship loss to the players who participate in these activities. Those with blogs, like the New Order, may also share the "tears" they got, thus increasing the entertainment value and expanding the "profit."

As for shuttles, some people afk haul PLEX in those things, for whatever reason. If I was a ganker, I'd totally go for shuttles on the off chance they have PLEX and it drops. If even 1 drops, the Ganker just made a profit in real money, via gametime. The minerbumping blog has a "Kills of the Week Superpost" that features, as a save-the-best-for-last, a shuttle gank that netted the ganker the ability to play for 10 more months for free. Shuttles that are empty may tend to contain the pods in the above paragraph, which are a prime target for incurring loss on the ganked.

In short, gankers attack pods and shuttles for tears and high-isk-value killmails. If the shuttle wasn't empty, then the gank was also for the loot.

A lot of the gankers are -10 so kill rights mean nothing. Neither does getting podded since it's a quicker way back to station than self destructing or warping. Neither does losing a T1 fitted or even a T2 fitted cat.

I'm playing the right game, when I started there were consequences, very bad ones, the game has been modified and expansion creep has gotten us to the point that EvE should not be at - No consequence killing. EvE needs to be harsh the way it was intended imo.

Because being able to tank concord and smartbomb the Jita IV-IV undock was too much of a consequence right?

Mine isn't -10 and I have no intention of letting it become -10 atm because of the draw backs of being -10. So I put in time and effort to keep it above -2.0. I have started a third account for training a second ganker that will be purely for ganking and will indeed go -10 very fast when training is completed. That costs me a PLEX a month though, just to have a second ganker. Seems like pretty harsh consequences.

But back to my non -10 ganker. Plenty of ppl have kill rights on it. Not a single one has tried using it against me though. Even when I'm in their home system running lvl 4's for sec stat with it. They have the instruments to punish me but they refuse to even look at me funny when I undock right under their noses.

About getting podded: to fly a full t2 near max DPS cata you need implants to fit it and implants to push the DPS. Dunno the exact number my pod costs but it's at least 50m, and I'm pretty sure I'm going to lose it at one point. ofcourse you can go empty but that means significantly less dps per catalyst.

And well, since losing 10m cata's doesn't matter, I'm sure that losing a barge or two doesn't matter either, since your average retriever is only worth 2-3 of those....

Psychos? Of course not: I doubt ANY of them are psychos. Jerks (to put it mildly) sure, but not psychos.

Eventually adults learn to just ignore screaming, nagging kids. The kiddies eventually get bored or tired of their activity and go eat some dirt somewhere outside.

I've been reading the last five pages of this thread, my head is swimming, I'm not sure what to say...

For one, laziness is the common denominator. I don't really think a ganker, or two are going to stop and blast a tanked Procurer. There are so many other idiots out there you can work much less harder to pop. Frankly, if someone took the time to hunt me down with six or seven Catas, I would be flattered. If you want to sneak up on me with a cloaky ship and point me long enough for the catas to show up and get me, again, I would be flattered for the effort. Nine times out of ten, you aren't going to get the shot though. It is SO easy to get away if you just pay attention. I, and others, have beaten this point to death I think.

So, having beaten the sensible point to death...

I don't think anyone should tank their Procurers. I think mining in a Proc is a bad idea. I like the prices low and easily replacable. The fact that Procs are SO cheap is a testament to people's greed and laziness. So go fly AFK in your Covetors and Retrievers. You don't need any tank. Watch some TV, let out the dog. You don't need to align or pay attention. I mean us paranoid people are freaks, right? Have fun, this is EVE; nothing to worry about. I want you to be out there. I want people to buy my new line of fitted ganking Catalysts. Hell, I might even set up a buy three, get one free program. Please, by all means, continue doing what you are doing. Cry to CCP to save you. I thank you now for padding my wallet and increasing my chances of survival.

Third...

I think miners should organize miner ganks. Especially when some multiboxing, non-aligned, afk turd decides to rip off the four other hard working miners who actually pay attention. This is a joke though, because paying attention while mining is not hard work. Staying away from gankers is not hard work. (beats horse furiously). But still, even if some think miners are the lowest of the low, we have standards. Anyone who vilolates miner standards should, but the logic of some, be considered the lowest scum in the galaxy. Such scum needs to be addressed...