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Can we do something about the idiots in highsec already CCP?

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#241 - 2013-11-05 23:38:30 UTC
Idiots...

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Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#242 - 2013-11-05 23:39:04 UTC
Bing Bangboom wrote:

No one complains when the Goons control a giant swath of null.


Uh, do you even read this forum? Everyone complains about it all the time.

But only one man has the courage to change the face of the galaxy.

Forever.

Harry Forever.
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#243 - 2013-11-05 23:41:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Carmen Electra

  1. You are all crazy
  2. I support carebear-ism. I DON'T support mining. There is no excuse for this activity. Minerals come from melted loot just as well as from ore.
  3. Suicide gankers go after (very) low hanging fruit. It is incredibly easy to avoid being suicide ganked.

    • The only time it's ok to fit nothing but cargo expanders to an Iteron V is when you're filling it to the brim with tritanium. No one wants your tritanium, seriously.
    • Say you have 2x Pithum A-type invuls to move from Jita to Osmon. How do you get them between these two points? If you said in a fully cargo-expanded Iteron, you would be wrong. You would, however, be in good company because people actually do this. Try a shuttle instead.
    • Fit a tank > 12k EHP
    • Don't fly more than 200m in your T1 indy. Many gankers will go for 300m and above. If you're carrying > 400m, you will likely fly home in a pod.
    • Blockade runner. Yes, I know, you have to train something to V. Deal with it.

  4. It's easy to ruin a suicide gankers day.


A little respect for us gankers would be appreciated. We work hard to put food on the table.

Bacon makes us stronger
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#244 - 2013-11-05 23:59:46 UTC
Really it's not the ganking, it''s the finger wagging,. dear god make it stop.

forums.  serious business.
Zheng'Yi Sao
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#245 - 2013-11-06 00:11:06 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Really it's not the ganking, it''s the finger wagging,. dear god make it stop.


Finger wagging is silent.

Crying is much louder...

Honestly, I'm shocked reading this thread. I figured the natural reaction was something like:

"I lost something doing X."

"I shoudl not do X again."

Life goes on.

When it is in fact:

"I lost something doing X."

"Cry to big brother so he wil come and save me from myself."

Please don't lump all of us hi-secers in with these people.

"It's funny the things you people think are mandatory for us, as if we don't do what we do because it's a hilarious good time in a space video game." - Johnny Marzetti
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#246 - 2013-11-06 00:21:38 UTC
Zheng'Yi Sao wrote:
IDK...

I've spent my first few months in hi-sec. I just fly paranoid. I always align when I mine, I am always at the keyboard when I mine. Being WarDec'd recently vastly improved my game play. Frankly, I get tired of other lazy miners not making the most of their cycles and surveyors. Time is money. Don't waste my time. I don't auto pilot either. The way I see it, if you are going to load up a big fat pig, hit auto pilot, and walk away, you deserve what you get. It is just proper economics to gank such targets as they come through. Really, honestly, this is EVE. Are you really going to cry to CCP instead of defending yourselves? You carebears are an embarassment to us carebears. HTFU. I would rather die in my under-fit frigate than pay extortion or cry.

When I first read about Minerbumping.com I thought a couple things. One, I suppose in some perverse way I saw their point. Second, I thought they were hypocrites offering a indulgence instead of just carrying on their crusade. It quickly occured to me this was just a method by which to extort 10m from fools who actually believed they would be honored. Just proper economics.

I just wish gankers would form a proper corporation. Join a union. Make yourselves a target. War reduces the themepark to low sec real quick; but they won't. It has nothing to do with having to face a thempark of angry carebears. They just aren't high enough caliber. I in one moment hate them and in another love them. They enjoy what they do because they enjoy the carebear tears. Hell, I am a carebear (?) and I enjoy the carebear tears. Trolls can't eat if they aren't fed, why do people never learn? Same reason they continue to autopilot through Hi-Sec I suppose. Hell, I might have to join in on frieghter ganking if idiots keep leaving so much ISK in the open...

I suppose I am saying thank you for making me a better pilot. I am also saying man up and make yourself a proper target.
You will kill my 4m skillpoint (half industry) noob nine times out of ten, but eventually I will get you. But you aren't really about making the game a better place, or me a better pilot. Most of you are proper trolls, and that is that. Then again, this is why EVE is the whacky place that it is EVE.

So I say go to hell, and carry on...



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Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#247 - 2013-11-06 00:41:53 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Fey Ivory wrote:
i wanted to make a thread about this, but i can as well reply to this, i think some should try read and actually understand what OP is saying...

Highsec shouldent be idiot safe, thats not what OP is saying, the problem is the corsepondance of what doing crimes in highsec entails, if you do it, you get punished, and the punishment should allways be in such a way that it actually hurts, and not just for those that just have started playing the game, wich points us back to what OP is trying to say... there is no punishment in highsec, if you have the means to cover the looses, for suicide ganks, wich makes the whole idea with, you >should< get punished in highsec if you violate its rules, void Roll

Make a idiot proof system, and someone will invent a better idiot !


The only MMOs that last a player more than a year require item loss (general consumption, not just consumable potions) in order to keep the market functional. The only other way around that is for the developer to start the mudflation themepark treadmill.

ie ships have to die, no matter what sec they are in. We wouldn't have concord if the designers didn't want ganking, we'd have a straitjacket that prevented you firing. it appears the balancing point for the designers is no solo industrial ganking of T2 fitted ships for profit, ie the ganker has to do better than "no research and no cooperation" to profit.

Anyone sitting around for an hour for a failed gank, lost a considerable amount of isk in opportunity cost terms, not counting the shiploss. ie it is considerably more punishing than just losing the ship even when you succeed.


I agree with you and i never debate with you about the ability to gank, as i pointed out, what concord does is punish players for ganking, but what i do object against, is that the richer you get, and the more powerfull alliance your part of, the less of a punishment you get, as it is set up at moment, loosing a cata for a beginner is a big deal, while rich powerfull corporations can bascially set off funds, train up alts, and bascially take NO punishment towards their main operations, or main characters... this is what i object towards
Zheng'Yi Sao
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#248 - 2013-11-06 00:46:26 UTC
Why should CCP punish these big corportations for being able to do such things?

If people in hi-sec don't like it, they should band together, fly into low-sec and burn the whole thing down. This is called player driven content. The problem isn't with burning Jita, it is with people who cry out to be saved instead of banding together and addressing the problem head on.

"It's funny the things you people think are mandatory for us, as if we don't do what we do because it's a hilarious good time in a space video game." - Johnny Marzetti
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#249 - 2013-11-06 00:47:28 UTC
It's almost like there isn't a plethora of stations that provide a safe environment in which one might leave his/her keyboard in the sector of space in which you were travelling through...










Oh wait.

wumbo
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#250 - 2013-11-06 00:55:21 UTC
Becouse, i dident make the game and i dident set up highsec as it is, but if CCP sets up highsec as it is, and ganking should come with a punishment, then it should be a punishment, not a way to avoid it for what it is, that it barely affects you, depending on your resources, then it isent a punishment, now is it ?
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#251 - 2013-11-06 00:55:51 UTC
For the people incapable of understanding what I wrote:

1. I don't want ganking stopped. I want it made less safe. IE - something you do when you scan a ship full of something valuable, not something you do simply for fun without profit in mind.

2. As I have repeatedly said, Oveur stated that "highsec was supposed to be relatively safe", since then no dev has stated otherwise. The reason its called high sec (High Security) is because its supposed to be secure space. Currently there appear to be more gate camps in high sec than in null or low.

3. I don't want to autopilot with billions in loot. I want to autopilot my 30 minute old alt without getting its velator and pod killed just for fun by an alt that's going to biomass itself without anyone knowing. If I was a complete newb which I could have been, that account may have been lost.

4. As for my running anoms in null, lol. I'm doing that to fund my 8 man stealth bomber wing, which will be coming to a VFK near you shortly.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Violet Crumble
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#252 - 2013-11-06 00:58:18 UTC
Nick Curso wrote:
If you get mugged on the street when do the police arrive, before or after the mugging?....


Well if YouTube is anything to go by, sometimes they are the ones doing the mugging.

Don't give CCP any ideas.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#253 - 2013-11-06 01:06:37 UTC
Violet Crumble wrote:
Nick Curso wrote:
If you get mugged on the street when do the police arrive, before or after the mugging?....


Well if YouTube is anything to go by, sometimes they are the ones doing the mugging.

Don't give CCP any ideas.

If you mug someone and the cops turn up the dont just give you 15 minutes in a cell.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#254 - 2013-11-06 01:19:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Shederov Blood
Infinity Ziona wrote:
If you mug someone and the cops turn up the dont just give you 15 minutes in a cell.
They instantly mug you right back! THEN they give you 15 minutes in a cell and tell the victim they have a month to mug you, or get someone else to mug you for them. After too many muggings, they just say, "Ahh, screw it, we'll just let everyone mug you anywhere, anytime... but we'll still show up and instamug you if you try anything, and throw you back in your cell."

Who put the goat in there?
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
#255 - 2013-11-06 01:33:16 UTC
It is kind of hilarious, it started off....
"Well just dont but more than 10 bil in a freighter"

Then,
"Well, if you dont wanna get ganked dont put more than one bill in a freighter"

Later
"Just use an orca, flying a freighter is just asking for it"

even later....
"Well dont put more than 500 mil in your cargo hold"

Yeah CCP only cares about griefing when it happens to an alliance with a CSM rep.

Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur. 
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#256 - 2013-11-06 01:47:58 UTC
Zheng'Yi Sao wrote:
Why should CCP punish these big corportations for being able to do such things?

If people in hi-sec don't like it, they should band together, fly into low-sec and burn the whole thing down. This is called player driven content. The problem isn't with burning Jita, it is with people who cry out to be saved instead of banding together and addressing the problem head on.


But that requires coordination and effort. Its easier to moan and complain about a game mechanic that is working as intended.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#257 - 2013-11-06 01:53:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Quote:
1. I don't want ganking stopped. I want it made less safe. IE - something you do when you scan a ship full of something valuable, not something you do simply for fun without profit in mind.


So... since when is "because I can" or "because it's funny" not a good enough reason to do something in a sandbox game? The people who do it for the lulz have every bit as much right to play by the same rules as people who do it for profit.

No more nerfs to ganking, enough is enough already. If anything, you need to make highsec less safe, so that if people want to introduce a little anarchy (shameless Joker quote) they aren't completely forced to suicide gank. That'd cut down on ganks pretty well. A lot of people gank, myself among them, because it's the last recourse.

Quote:
I want to autopilot my 30 minute old alt without getting its velator and pod killed just for fun by an alt that's going to biomass itself without anyone knowing. If I was a complete newb which I could have been, that account may have been lost.


Good thing what you described in that quote is already against the rules then, and has nothing to do with typical suicide ganking.

Quote:
4. As for my running anoms in null, lol. I'm doing that to fund my 8 man stealth bomber wing, which will be coming to a VFK near you shortly


The words of a carebear are naught but noise and empty air.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Violet Crumble
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#258 - 2013-11-06 01:58:07 UTC
Waldorf T Beagle wrote:
As noob who signed up to take a look while I wait for elite dangerous, my 2p is that the OP is correct about game mechanics. It is too heavily weighted towards destruction. It takes months of skill training and investment to do anything constructive but a brand new alt can destroy things instantly with no downside.


Wrong on all counts.

There's a ton of construction going on and perfectly balanced by the destruction. You do know that most of the goods available on the market are made by players right? Destruction breeds construction and without one, there is not much need for the other.

On the issue of skill training, 12 days to a fully functioning PI character, who can actually be in to PI in just a couple of days.

PvP, no great SP necessary to start. You just have to have realistic expectations about what is going to happen, but a lot of skill in PvP is the experience of the player, not the experience of the pilot. So while SP are being trained, skill that helps later is being gained - and that stays with you forever, irrespective of the toon you use.

And finally, the brand new alt that can destroy instantly can also be yours to use against whomever you like. Don't like gankers hitting miners, go get organised and gank the gankers. Take responsibility for what happens to you in game and go dictate it, rather than having it dictated to you.

No downside - go make it. See my last point.

Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime
Violet Crumble
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#259 - 2013-11-06 02:01:33 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
If you mug someone and the cops turn up the dont just give you 15 minutes in a cell.


But this is a game, not RL.

What, you want characters charged, judged and imprisoned (or let out on a good behaviour bond or executed or a whole host of other possibilities in this wonderful diverse world we live in)?

I agree with you on making ganking more risky. I don't have a problem with that at all.

Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#260 - 2013-11-06 02:03:13 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Violet Crumble wrote:
Nick Curso wrote:
If you get mugged on the street when do the police arrive, before or after the mugging?....


Well if YouTube is anything to go by, sometimes they are the ones doing the mugging.

Don't give CCP any ideas.

If you mug someone and the cops turn up the dont just give you 15 minutes in a cell.


They also don't show up instantly, nor do they possess superhero invincibility.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.