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Is the Naga dead to you, or are you still excited for it?
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Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#61 - 2011-11-18 11:03:39 UTC
Imajitaaltofanalt ofanalt wrote:
Kietay Ayari wrote:
I like your support of the Naga, Grath. But I have a question for you! Not that I am saying you are wrong I am just curious to why the Naga and Talos do not have exactly the same damage since they both use the same weapons and have a 5% damage bonus? :o

I want one sooo bad D:


talos does 1200 dps for me, naga 710, talos has crap tank, naga has good buffer. naga is faster, talos has drones.

Tbh, naga is a mean blaster boat... talos needs one less mid and one more low


Naga does 710 with rails while the Talos does 1200 with blasters or what? I don't want your DPS number D: I want it explained why two ships with the same weapons and the same number of those weapons and the same damage bonus will do different amounts of damage o_O

Thank you in advance!

Ferox #1
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#62 - 2011-11-18 11:28:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Kietay Ayari wrote:
Imajitaaltofanalt ofanalt wrote:
Kietay Ayari wrote:
I like your support of the Naga, Grath. But I have a question for you! Not that I am saying you are wrong I am just curious to why the Naga and Talos do not have exactly the same damage since they both use the same weapons and have a 5% damage bonus? :o

I want one sooo bad D:


talos does 1200 dps for me, naga 710, talos has crap tank, naga has good buffer. naga is faster, talos has drones.

Tbh, naga is a mean blaster boat... talos needs one less mid and one more low


Naga does 710 with rails while the Talos does 1200 with blasters or what? I don't want your DPS number D: I want it explained why two ships with the same weapons and the same number of those weapons and the same damage bonus will do different amounts of damage o_O

Thank you in advance!


One is meant to dmg over time, one is meant to blow or die immediately

One is meant to shield tank and have good dps/tank, one is intended to armor tank but it's so crapy the only way you can make it work properly is to shield fit it, making the last one nothing interesting useful for other purpose than gank.

If this SISI build is the final one OC.

Edit: 1 TE 4 MFS in lows help a lot to get those 1200dps but you'll have less than 20K EHP before fleet bonus, implants, boosters.
Songbird
#63 - 2011-11-18 11:28:23 UTC
Augustus Royal wrote:
(I doubt this post will have any weight on this thread and it might make delicious troll bait... but)

As a relatively new EVE player (read tons about the game for a few years before trying), and as a pilot that focuses on Missiles...

I am disappoint :(


missiles have that effect on people - train gunnery for proper satisfaction.
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2011-11-18 11:36:54 UTC
Damn, guess all I have left is the 100MN AB Tornado and the Sniper Oracle.

Poor Naga is ruined before its even released.









Sad

I'm back!
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#65 - 2011-11-18 11:39:21 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:


One is meant to dmg over time, one is meant to blow or die immediately

One is meant to shield tank and have good dps/tank, one is intended to armor tank but it's so crapy the only way you can make it work properly is to shield fit it, making the last one nothing interesting useful for other purpose than gank.

If this SISI build is the final one OC.

Edit: 1 TE 4 MFS in lows help a lot to get those 1200dps but you'll have less than 20K EHP before fleet bonus, implants, boosters.


Sigh... I do not want to know what one has or what it does O_________________O What I want to know is why with the same weapons does one do more damage? Are you fitting more damage mods on the Talos? enough to increase its DPS by 500? What is the -reason- that the Talos does 500 more DPS when they have the same weapons and bonuses.

I do not know if I am not explaining this right or if someone just does not know the answer :|

Ferox #1
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#66 - 2011-11-18 11:39:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jennifer Starling
Is the Naga
[x] dead to you
[ ] still excited for it

Basically it's just a stealth boost to Gallente pilots that can already field battleships as training Caldari Cruiser IV is peanuts compared to training Large Railgun Specialization.

Many if not most Caldari pilots use autocannons instead of hybrids on some of their ships and/or have already trained Amarr/Minmatar ships to get some versatility.
crazy Maken
Doomheim
#67 - 2011-11-18 11:52:27 UTC
@Kietay

The reason why the Talos does more damage is because it is a blaster platform ie. short range, high damage.
The naga is now a rail platform ie. long range, less damage.
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#68 - 2011-11-18 12:06:07 UTC
Ok... so when people say the Talos does more damage its because they have blasters and not rails fitted to it -__- that is a ridiculous comparison. The Naga can fit Blasters as well :|

Ferox #1
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#69 - 2011-11-18 12:22:31 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
Ok... so when people say the Talos does more damage its because they have blasters and not rails fitted to it -__- that is a ridiculous comparison. The Naga can fit Blasters as well :|


Ship bonus? -slots layout?

You have to look at it has a whole, not just some eft/pyfa numbers.
Feyrin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2011-11-18 13:46:55 UTC
Amarr pilot here, training large projectiles currently. Will start training large rails once complete for the naga. Cry all you want but the naga is excellent now for its intended role. At 100km you are still fairly safe from on grid probing and the sustained damage the naga deals is great. Sorry to the missile only caldari players but rails are your weapon system, be glad you have a new ship the can use them well.
FlameGlow
Perkone
Caldari State
#71 - 2011-11-18 14:07:15 UTC
Cambarus wrote:
ITT a bunch of people complain that the naga got a boost that makes it arguably the best sniping ship in the game.


Being best at something not used doesn't really amount to much, long range sniping was killed by probing, mid-range sniping is dominated by arties because alpha strike
oldmanst4r
oldmanst4r's Corporation
#72 - 2011-11-18 17:00:43 UTC
Hi I am Naga fleet, I am cheap and do F**Ktons of dps. I am BETTR THAN DRAEK FLEET!!!
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2011-11-18 17:04:18 UTC
oldmanst4r wrote:
Hi I am Naga fleet, I am cheap and do F**Ktons of dps. I am BETTR THAN DRAEK FLEET!!!


Hi Im a tornado , i have enough buddies to instapopp you anytime anywhere.
m0cking bird
Doomheim
#74 - 2011-11-18 17:09:32 UTC
So what!? Oracal (Tach) can insta pop sh!t too.
TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2011-11-18 18:24:37 UTC
caldari tears aka carebear tears BEST TEARS
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#76 - 2011-11-18 19:15:54 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Doesn't the Tengu have a hybrid subsystem?


Its pretty underwhelming, and it wouldn't surprise me to find out it was the least used sub system in game.


You're right. I have NEVER seen a tengu with hybrids....ever. I've seen more tengus with tractor beems fitted. Maybe after Crucible I might see one or two on rare occassions.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#77 - 2011-11-18 19:56:59 UTC
Sobaan Tali wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Doesn't the Tengu have a hybrid subsystem?


Its pretty underwhelming, and it wouldn't surprise me to find out it was the least used sub system in game.


You're right. I have NEVER seen a tengu with hybrids....ever. I've seen more tengus with tractor beems fitted. Maybe after Crucible I might see one or two on rare occassions.

You know, with the hybrid changes, having a subsystem that gives 5% damage but 20%.. yes 20% optimal per level might be workable.

I'm at work so can't EFT this or whathaveyou:

[Tengrail]
Supplemental Screening
Dissolution Sequencer
Power Core Multiplier
Magnetic Infusion Basin
Fuel Catalyst

That gives you 6/6/4, I'm not sure if you can fir 6 250s or if you'd need to use 200s. I'll find out when I get home.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#78 - 2011-11-18 20:08:21 UTC
Ingvar Angst wrote:
From what they're saying, CCP has nerfed the torpedos right out of the Naga, rendering it solely a gunboat now. Personally, my only interest in it was as a torpedo platform... with this change I personally have completely lost interest in the ship. This isn't a whine or complaint... it simply isn't a direction I wish to go in.

How about the rest of you... you prefer the Naga as solely a gunboat, or are your dreams of a torpedo launcher now as dead as your interest in the ship?


Kinda excited... I was gonna use the Hype for sniping (8 turrets, 5% damage) but the Naga makes it obsolete. (8 turrets, 5% damage, 10% optimal). Probably the best sniper in the entire game.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Eva Blacklist
Friendless.
#79 - 2011-11-18 20:11:08 UTC
For me,the excitement of the expansion was the Naga plus torpedoes. To be frank, if I wanted a gun-based boat it would be the Oracle (which is major sexy). It appears the management of CCP continues to be out-of-touch with a part of its player base.
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#80 - 2011-11-18 20:29:45 UTC
Eva Blacklist wrote:
For me,the excitement of the expansion was the Naga plus torpedoes. To be frank, if I wanted a gun-based boat it would be the Oracle (which is major sexy). It appears the management of CCP continues to be out-of-touch with a part of its player base.

Quite the opposite, the naga was by far the worst tier 3 bc, now it isn't. People pointed out that the split weapon system was terrible, and CCP listened.