EVE General Discussion

The only MMOs that last a player more than a year require item loss (general consumption, not just consumable potions) in order to keep the market functional. The only other way around that is for the developer to start the mudflation themepark treadmill.

ie ships have to die, no matter what sec they are in. We wouldn't have concord if the designers didn't want ganking, we'd have a straitjacket that prevented you firing. it appears the balancing point for the designers is no solo industrial ganking of T2 fitted ships for profit, ie the ganker has to do better than "no research and no cooperation" to profit.

Anyone sitting around for an hour for a failed gank, lost a considerable amount of isk in opportunity cost terms, not counting the shiploss. ie it is considerably more punishing than just losing the ship even when you succeed.

i don't but for the outrage that is players not observing the amoral pursuit of wealth in a randian wet dream sci fi dystopian universe. these 'lulz' are not a trade-able commodity AFAIK.

Load up your freighter's cargo hold with repackaged HAC's from all 4 races between your 100+ million implants while you autopilot it from Jita to Rens. The HAC's have high racial resistances and will add enough extra EHP to your freighter to make it ungankable to anything but a fleet of several hundred battleships, which will lag out the system when they open fire so badly the gank will fail anyway.

It's not that hard really....

Oh wow thanks will try this now :D

Alternatively you could simply not put so much value into the thing that it would be profitable to gank. That would save you from 99.99% of al ganks.

Nah forget it, crazy idea, go with the first one indeed!

Going the sandbox mmo-rpg way is "worrying"? Nice to know what a themeparker thinks of EvE Online.

well they probably think it;s a bit weird to stare at a nob shaped spaceship for 3 hours and then press F1.

Re: themeparkers. no accounting for taste though.

Well what I think people are missing is that while most of the players know it's a game and what the game is all about, there's a "why bother" approach to it.

While gankers can be dealt with by flying smart, at a certain point it feels like babysitting. I used to get this feeling in other MMOs when they reached the point where the 12y/o kids all seemed to discover it at once. Even if you can beat them, avoid them, or ignore them, taking measures to do so becomes tedious. They are not really playing a game. This could a game of any genre at this point. Heck this could be Hello Kitty Online with pink guns even. But once you are taking measures "around" the intentions of people who are not playing towards the spirit and objectives of the game, but rather doing it for RL jollies (something possibly related to alpha-aspergers or being put on Ritalin too young perhaps?) of griefing or wrecking the game for someone else, that's when you are not playing the game either. You are playing "their" game and win lose or draw, they have managed to make it their game.

While I don't think new players get "griefed" out of the game as easily as some people think - new players have an excuse to lose and a lot less to lose - I do think that a lot of them hit a point where they feel like they are working a customer support desk or are reminded of someone they work with who "has nothing better to do but ruin things for everybody else" and so they don't sub or unsub and move on. Even if you can best someone like that, it's still draining (and still "their game") just to put up with them. I have noticed that women are more prone to arrive at these conclusions than men. This might be related to women having more likely ended up in jobs or being tasked as actual babysitters for brat kids, and so they can spot such behavior easily and are not inclined to actually pay money to put up with yet more brat kids.

One of the reasons to get new players OUT of highsec as soon as possible is to get they away from this lowest common denominator zone. While it's fun to poke at the large alliances they do have some recruitment considerations for new players and should be recognized for that. What I have observed otherwise is that people who linger in highsec too long will get tired of the BS and playing someone else's greif game but those who actually get with the adults will invest more time and energy in staying.

So, either the player base should ramp up helping noobs out of highsec (instead of ganking them as if a KB full of T1 and rookie ships and month-old pods mean something - they don't) or CCP should strongly consider an inner starter zone of which only noobs can inhabit and anyone older can only fly non-combatant vessels (so there can be a market) - or something like that. Perhaps even some mechanics whereby player ships cannot fire on each other. Before anybody goes alphatard on that idea, be advised that I'm referring to a total noob starter zone to keep them grief free so they actually play internet spaceships and not "I'm getting back at the world because I can't get laid Online". Another consideration could be for corporations operating outside of highsec to get bonuses of some kind for recruiting new players, perhaps rewards of higher factions standings of the original faction that the new player is coming from. Anything to incentivize this would be great.

The point of the gank... isn't the gank.

The point of the bump.... isn't the bump.

The point of the Code... is player-control where many say there is none.

After over a year as an Agent of the New Order I know how the carebears react to the presence of the New Order. I won't speak for the freighter gankers but this is how the miners react.

Agent: Buy a permit. www.minerbumping.com

Miner 1: Random abuse, Caldari (Amarr, etc) is in charge here, you can't make me...

Agent: Bump.

Miner 1: Oh big man, I will just... (insert Miner Bingo square option here).

Knight: GANK!

Miner 1: Defenseless! Unfair! CCP FIX! NERF NERF NERF!

Agent: Buy a permit.

Miner 2: Random abuse, etc etc.



No one complains when the Goons control a giant swath of null. No one thinks its wrong when one huge alliance sweeps another out of their sov. BUT, have the New Order claim all systems with sec status between .5 and 1.0 and the petitions fly, the forum fills with threads like this and 2003 veterans like the OP reveal that some players never get beyond the carebear mentality.

The problem isn't the ganking. The problem is we say what they can and cannot do, and then we prove it. The OP, like so many before him/her has realized that even all his skill points, all his years of playing Eve and all his time playing the "real game" in Null doesn't protect him from someone who actually knows how to play Eve.

The feeling of powerlessness is what causes threads like this. We can't be stopped.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable