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Dev Blog: No Honor Among Thieves - Siphon Units in Rubicon

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Mioelnir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#281 - 2013-10-17 18:58:58 UTC
DevBlog wrote:
It also aligns itself well with our general intent to give players more ways to affect each other’s income than just through brute force.

Make a new player training session about basic math and how it relates to blueprints and manufacturing.
Azrael Dinn
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#282 - 2013-10-17 19:01:26 UTC
so... don't you dev have better things to work on or is this part of something bigger and better cause really... where do we need this thing?

This new mobile thing seems really really useless in the grand scheme of things. Honestly... why didn't you just start to work on with the pos mechanics rather than make a small specialized thing that really does nothing special.

So please... could you tell whats behind of this or did you guys just ran out of good ideas?

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
#283 - 2013-10-17 19:02:33 UTC
Kismeteer wrote:
Maximus Andendare wrote:
But that leads me to another question: why should any of us believe that you're delivering honest feedback? You've publicly expressed that you're members of the Economic Warfare Goon committee, so since that's your purpose anyway, where do you think your credibility comes from? Authoritarian speaking? Threats?


I'm not a member of whatever committee you think I'm a part of, and who said this was just spinning? I'm speaking for myself. I don't help people in the Linux subforum to recruit scam people or push an agenda beyond 'Use Linux', for instance. And any credibility I have is based on my ideas, generally.

There are so many broken mechanics in eve already. Why introduce another one that is even more broken? The warp speed change I think is pretty awesome, and might kill null sec ratting as a whole, but it should be fun at least. But what else is in this expansion?

I'm the one who thinks that moon goo should just go to PI anyway, **** all POS's.

Want to make it easier for small entities to get into null sec? Fix sov warfare and make logistics easy for people.
Want to make it possible for a group to 'fit' in smaller space? Fix null sec.
Want to fix 'free money' from moons? Get rid of moons.
Want to fix risk/reward? Address level 4 missions rewards.
Want to make POS's better? Revamp them already, that was promised years ago.
Players cooped your broken system and explioted it? Give them tools to do it correctly.
We've had 'coalitions' from the beginning of eve, but zero help from CCP actually implementing treaties or anything like that.

All of these things could be what CCP is working on. Instead, they are doing additions like this. Every time we've heard some high sec player say 'Oh this will fix the blue donut!', like the moon rebalancing, has just made it worse. CCP has continually RAISED the bar to enter 0.0, not lowered it. It is very expensive, time and effort and isk wise, to put up even a single pos, not to mention take a system and/or station.

So address the fundamental problem rather than skirting it for literally years, saying 'we'll do tweaks' when these tweaks never happen.

there's a parable in the christian bible, where christ describes a man who builds his house on sand and a man who builds his house on stone. the house built on sand washes away in the rain, and the house on stone stands

is the siphon building on broken pos and sov mechanics?
IrJosy
Club 1621
#284 - 2013-10-17 19:03:38 UTC
CCP 'balancing' t2 ships with ccp rise.

While ccp whoever over here blaps the prices of t2 ships into the sky.

Must be an interesting office dynamic.

Dev A: I'm gonna make players want to use these ships!
Dev B: No you aren't I'm gonna make them more expensive! Someone edit a derogatory term under his name again!
Gardaz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#285 - 2013-10-17 19:04:35 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Our credibility comes from our long unbroken streak of being right, every time.

Can't be that long then since mynnnas prediction about moon goo prices for the rebalance turned out false.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#286 - 2013-10-17 19:08:07 UTC
IrJosy wrote:
CCP 'balancing' t2 ships with ccp rise.

While ccp whoever over here blaps the prices of t2 ships into the sky.

Must be an interesting office dynamic.

Dev A: I'm gonna make players want to use these ships!
Dev B: No you aren't I'm gonna make them more expensive! Someone edit a derogatory term under his name again!


perhaps they will let us have back scanable mining sites which contain minerals gases and tech II minerals toboot... you know take away insentive to do passive income and provide an alternative for active income.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#287 - 2013-10-17 19:08:33 UTC
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:

Yes, I know it would be difficult for someone like you to understand how people who do sig scanning would be able to detect siphoning structures.


A sig scanner is scanning only for sigs. They do not randomly also scan the system to see what structures are in it and then scan down all of those. Once again, you have fundamental defects in your understanding of how the game works that makes it so your opinion is not worth the time it takes to dismiss it.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#288 - 2013-10-17 19:09:32 UTC
Gardaz wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Our credibility comes from our long unbroken streak of being right, every time.

Can't be that long then since mynnnas prediction about moon goo prices for the rebalance turned out false.


Allow me to quote myself.

myself wrote:
Being conservative, I'd say the R64s all go to at least 40k isk/unit in the long run, with something more like 50k-60k isk/unit being completely reasonable.


Have you checked Dysprosium lately? That's just the beginning, of course. Bear

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#289 - 2013-10-17 19:09:55 UTC
Gardaz wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Our credibility comes from our long unbroken streak of being right, every time.

Can't be that long then since mynnnas prediction about moon goo prices for the rebalance turned out false.

Mynnna's prediction was right, and we're starting to see the stockpiles break and the price to revert to where it 'should' be. I assume you haven't checked Dyspro prices anytime recently.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Skia Aumer
Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC
#290 - 2013-10-17 19:11:53 UTC
So, to make my POS totally invulnerable to siphons, I need to set up additional harvester to mine some atmospheric gases or other crap. While processing R64 in a simple reactor, of course.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#291 - 2013-10-17 19:12:49 UTC
Skia Aumer wrote:
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Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#292 - 2013-10-17 19:13:06 UTC
Skia Aumer wrote:
So, to make my POS totally invulnerable to siphons, I need to set up additional harvester to mine some atmospheric gases or other crap. While processing R64 in a simple reactor, of course.


Great idea, until someone comes and drops multiple siphons on your pos and takes the intermediate products from your reactor.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#293 - 2013-10-17 19:13:39 UTC
I would point out that no other group in EVE has the track record we do at promoting things that are good for EVE, even at our detriment.

i would also point out that I was the player applauding CCP for their handling of Forex even when that personally cost me trillions. We championed the bottom up income, we championed the tech nerf.

But hey ignore the track record of calling the ball and then cracking it out of the park if you like because you believe it is because we are spinning, or covering our own interests.

Our track record of calling CCP out when it is warranted speaks for itself. We also support siphons as a concept just not at this level of balance because we know what we will do with it. You can choose to believe this is the truth or not but time will demonstrate if what I am saying is true and you can come back and reference this post.

However, if I were you guys, I would be in Jita right now buying up some stuff.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.

Tonraks
Doomheim
#294 - 2013-10-17 19:15:58 UTC
I must say i think this implementation and the idea of a goo sucking pos module, is a pretty bad feature.

It promotes afk play, and make pos-work even more bothersome and boring than it already is.


It's almost like you devs want pos's to a feature that slowly but surely gets to be a less and less used feature.


gascanu
Bearing Srl.
#295 - 2013-10-17 19:17:27 UTC  |  Edited by: gascanu
ahahaha, a river of tears incoming Lol

i have to say this is a very good move from CCP in f***** R64 cartels;
also it give npc/low sec corps a piece of the pie.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#296 - 2013-10-17 19:17:34 UTC
Tonraks wrote:
I must say i think this implementation and the idea of a goo sucking pos module, is a pretty bad feature.

It promotes afk play, and make pos-work even more bothersome and boring than it already is.


It's almost like you devs want pos's to a feature that slowly but surely gets to be a less and less used feature.



that way you can justify not fixing them because only a small portion of the community uses them!

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
#297 - 2013-10-17 19:18:32 UTC
Aryth wrote:
I would point out that no other group in EVE has the track record we do at promoting things that are good for EVE, even at our detriment.

i would also point out that I was the player applauding CCP for their handling of Forex even when that personally cost me trillions. We championed the bottom up income, we championed the tech nerf.

But hey ignore the track record of calling the ball and then cracking it out of the park if you like because you believe it is because we are spinning, or covering our own interests.

Our track record of calling CCP out when it is warranted speaks for itself. We also support siphons as a concept just not at this level of balance because we know what we will do with it. You can choose to believe this is the truth or not but time will demonstrate if what I am saying is true and you can come back and reference this post.

However, if I were you guys, I would be in Jita right now buying up some stuff.


Well maby you need a beter PR division/team. Roll

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies
Joint Venture Conglomerate
#298 - 2013-10-17 19:18:34 UTC
Stacking nerf them likes mods.

Fear God and Thread Nought

Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#299 - 2013-10-17 19:19:59 UTC
This is just a tool of harrasment. There is no incentive.
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#300 - 2013-10-17 19:22:50 UTC
This change is hilarious if only for the creation of this thread and the tears on the past 15 pages