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High Sec Income vs Null Sec Income - the reality

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#261 - 2013-10-17 10:39:56 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Onictus wrote:
No there aren't, 10 guys can clear all of the combat sites out of a region pretty quickly.

Anoms are unlimited.

Why aren't you guys running them. That pic I posted today looting the Maze was in a dead end next to what appears to be an abandoned system with a fully functional station. 2 jumps from that system and next to another apparantly abandoned station system is another dead end system, it had 7 sigs in it today, 5 of them combat sites, 2 military operations (C-Type / DG's) sigs, 3 fortresses.

2 systems down from that was another abandoned station system with a Pith Penal and some fortresses, Penals drop Pithum Adaptives 1.5 billion modules... there's combat sigs all over the place :)

I did all those, after my 800 mill drop I got jack though, one of those bad runs, just a few hundred mill in OE and a couple of crap pith hardners.



Maybe because no one lives in Fade/Pure Blind, I it's three carrier jumps out more for most of the CFC to get to Fade, personally I have other things to do at home.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#262 - 2013-10-17 10:41:51 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Fights.

I hate bearing, there are 20 things I would rather be doing. Ratting, Pos stuff, logistics....all annoy me, I'd.rather be shooting at someone.


So come to lowsec. What's the point of null empires if the infrastructure just annoys you? If all you want is fights they are available without the bollocks.


I lived in low sec for a long time. It's boring. You spend tons of time looking for fights, little time fighting them.


I've got to admit that's true for anything larger than a cruiser.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#263 - 2013-10-17 10:43:52 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Why aren't you guys running them


Its not reliable income. One week you can have them all to yourself then for the next six months everyone and their mother is doing them and you cant find any. Anoms is what most of us do as they offer level 4 income isk and can support a much greater population. However at this point you can be earning just as much from level 4s in near perfect safety so you might as well be there.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#264 - 2013-10-17 10:49:53 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Why aren't you guys running them


Its not reliable income. One week you can have them all to yourself then for the next six months everyone and their mother is doing them and you cant find any. Anoms is what most of us do as they offer level 4 income isk and can support a much greater population. However at this point you can be earning just as much from level 4s in near perfect safety so you might as well be there.



Exactly what I've been saying all along.
Artemis Ellery Sazas
Shock and Awe Inc.
#265 - 2013-10-17 10:54:38 UTC
I totally agree with this. I have read the forums and the players complaining about high sec L4's being an isk faucet compared to null sec, NOT!!!

I have spent the last 2 months alone in null, working deep in Goon space within a five system radius running plexes. I only have a t2 loki with no bling and it's so easy and the isk is totally awesome. Most days I don't see a soul in local. It's just empty system after empty system with a ton of scannable sites and anoms to run when the better sites run out. Most days I can't even finish all the complexes due to limited playing time.

Working with no friends in null is tough, but is very doable. I have paid for my cheap loki fit many, many times over and no one has ever tried to lock me. It does take a little time to find a niche place to call home, but the rewards are well worth it. Just remember, everyone is an enemy.

For those of you that talk about sov bills, endless politics, alliance ops, etc... maybe it's possible that your power block has become too bloated? Maybe there would be less headaches for you and more free time to do what you want, if you controlled a smaller space? Just saying.....Blink
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#266 - 2013-10-17 11:06:49 UTC
Artemis Ellery Sazas wrote:
I totally agree with this. I have read the forums and the players complaining about high sec L4's being an isk faucet compared to null sec, NOT!!!

I have spent the last 2 months alone in null, working deep in Goon space within a five system radius running plexes. I only have a t2 loki with no bling and it's so easy and the isk is totally awesome. Most days I don't see a soul in local. It's just empty system after empty system with a ton of scannable sites and anoms to run when the better sites run out. Most days I can't even finish all the complexes due to limited playing time.

Working with no friends in null is tough, but is very doable. I have paid for my cheap loki fit many, many times over and no one has ever tried to lock me. It does take a little time to find a niche place to call home, but the rewards are well worth it. Just remember, everyone is an enemy.

For those of you that talk about sov bills, endless politics, alliance ops, etc... maybe it's possible that your power block has become too bloated? Maybe there would be less headaches for you and more free time to do what you want, if you controlled a smaller space? Just saying.....Blink


Yeah you may notice that it's powerblock or NPC s space, take your pick.
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#267 - 2013-10-17 11:15:26 UTC
Dunno...

The freighter ganking around high sec trade hubs seems to be quite lucrative. They are much more cautious in null/low .)

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#268 - 2013-10-17 11:38:09 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:



I was expecting a tinfoil comment.

You delivered.


Seriously though, you have a major persecution complex going here.



Guess what.

What you just posted, is another attack mode. I'm starting to think you all work from the same list.

I'm a highly experienced forum moderator and troll since the mid 1990s. There's a pattern to just about everything, even the attacks.


When you start seeing patterns where not exist, It just means you are developing a Beautiful mind lol.

Does EVE have a public mental health channel? Between this and other people posting about how losing in game assets are causing them real life issues, I'm thinking it might be time for one........



Gaslighting is another known tactic. Nice try.

Claims of dissenters having mental issues is a known old Soviet tactic.

You need a better playbook.


That was just beautiful, and so true!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Aesheera
Doomheim
#269 - 2013-10-17 12:14:32 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Blablabla

Hey dude face it, some enjoy making ISK in their own way.
Somehow, magically, I still get to do all the things I enjoy as much as I want while making my earnings the spaceship way.

Keep dumping your dollars into pixel land.
If you think that's a wise investment for your IRL Isk's, do your thing.
I personally think it's stupid :D

- I think my passion is misinterpreted as anger sometimes. And I don't think people are ready for the message that I'm delivering, and delivering with a sense of violent love.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#270 - 2013-10-17 12:28:30 UTC
Artemis Ellery Sazas wrote:
I totally agree with this. I have read the forums and the players complaining about high sec L4's being an isk faucet compared to null sec, NOT!!!

I have spent the last 2 months alone in null, working deep in Goon space within a five system radius running plexes. I only have a t2 loki with no bling and it's so easy and the isk is totally awesome. Most days I don't see a soul in local. It's just empty system after empty system with a ton of scannable sites and anoms to run when the better sites run out. Most days I can't even finish all the complexes due to limited playing time.

Working with no friends in null is tough, but is very doable. I have paid for my cheap loki fit many, many times over and no one has ever tried to lock me. It does take a little time to find a niche place to call home, but the rewards are well worth it. Just remember, everyone is an enemy.

For those of you that talk about sov bills, endless politics, alliance ops, etc... maybe it's possible that your power block has become too bloated? Maybe there would be less headaches for you and more free time to do what you want, if you controlled a smaller space? Just saying.....Blink


I wonder why people liek this keep missing the point when we talk about the isk coming into the economy.

No one I've ever seen has said that missions are exactly the same isk you can make null sec.

What has been said is that missions and other high sec isk making is too good for the near zero amount of risk involved, which is why many people who live in null sec have isk making alts in empire rather than having those alts risking ships making isk in null which would be better overall for the game because it would provide m ore opportunistic for players to get ships blown up (which in turn benefits everyone, starting with the high sec ship builders and LP sellers).

I fly a Machariel (sometimes dual boxed with a Dominix for faster farming) in null sec and the isk is ok. But I can take that same Machariel to Empire where I don't even have to getting killed (because i'm not wardeced or flying a blinged out ship) and run missions and make 60 to 70% as much isk (or do high sec incursions and make the same or more average isk per hour without the supreme headache of having to move loot to empire to sell) without any chance of interruption.

At the end of the day, it just makes more sense to isk up in empire. The only reason I'm doing so in null is because missions are boring and I like the trill of getting escalations and doing null plexes. But most folks aren't like me and HATE doing the things you have to do to make isk, so they do so safely in empire even if it takes a bit longer.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#271 - 2013-10-17 12:33:59 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Onictus wrote:
No there aren't, 10 guys can clear all of the combat sites out of a region pretty quickly.

Anoms are unlimited.

Why aren't you guys running them. That pic I posted today looting the Maze was in a dead end next to what appears to be an abandoned system with a fully functional station. 2 jumps from that system and next to another apparantly abandoned station system is another dead end system, it had 7 sigs in it today, 5 of them combat sites, 2 military operations (C-Type / DG's) sigs, 3 fortresses.

2 systems down from that was another abandoned station system with a Pith Penal and some fortresses, Penals drop Pithum Adaptives 1.5 billion modules... there's combat sigs all over the place :)

I did all those, after my 800 mill drop I got jack though, one of those bad runs, just a few hundred mill in OE and a couple of crap pith hardners.


You like answering your own questions, don't you.

High Sec incursions and missions aren't chance based. You can't waste time doing them. The isk/hr average from incursions is WAY better than what you'll end up with after spending the exact same amount of time doing exploration. Even when it's hard to get in fleet or some rival community pops all the MOMs, at the end of the month that isk and concord LP will be a mountain compared to average exploration's mole hill.

Mission income usually ends up being less than what you can get from null but that isk comes from NOT having to attend CTAs (as a meber of the null establishment) or having to find "wormholes back to empire" like a ninja ratter does.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#272 - 2013-10-17 12:58:25 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Artemis Ellery Sazas wrote:
I totally agree with this. I have read the forums and the players complaining about high sec L4's being an isk faucet compared to null sec, NOT!!!

I have spent the last 2 months alone in null, working deep in Goon space within a five system radius running plexes. I only have a t2 loki with no bling and it's so easy and the isk is totally awesome. Most days I don't see a soul in local. It's just empty system after empty system with a ton of scannable sites and anoms to run when the better sites run out. Most days I can't even finish all the complexes due to limited playing time.

Working with no friends in null is tough, but is very doable. I have paid for my cheap loki fit many, many times over and no one has ever tried to lock me. It does take a little time to find a niche place to call home, but the rewards are well worth it. Just remember, everyone is an enemy.

For those of you that talk about sov bills, endless politics, alliance ops, etc... maybe it's possible that your power block has become too bloated? Maybe there would be less headaches for you and more free time to do what you want, if you controlled a smaller space? Just saying.....Blink


I wonder why people liek this keep missing the point when we talk about the isk coming into the economy.

No one I've ever seen has said that missions are exactly the same isk you can make null sec.

What has been said is that missions and other high sec isk making is too good for the near zero amount of risk involved, which is why many people who live in null sec have isk making alts in empire rather than having those alts risking ships making isk in null which would be better overall for the game because it would provide m ore opportunistic for players to get ships blown up (which in turn benefits everyone, starting with the high sec ship builders and LP sellers).

I fly a Machariel (sometimes dual boxed with a Dominix for faster farming) in null sec and the isk is ok. But I can take that same Machariel to Empire where I don't even have to getting killed (because i'm not wardeced or flying a blinged out ship) and run missions and make 60 to 70% as much isk (or do high sec incursions and make the same or more average isk per hour without the supreme headache of having to move loot to empire to sell) without any chance of interruption.

At the end of the day, it just makes more sense to isk up in empire. The only reason I'm doing so in null is because missions are boring and I like the trill of getting escalations and doing null plexes. But most folks aren't like me and HATE doing the things you have to do to make isk, so they do so safely in empire even if it takes a bit longer.



Well it looks like you moved your position a bit from when we last crossed forum swords, well done, I thought you would get there in the end in spite of your attitude, sigh!Roll

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#273 - 2013-10-17 13:00:03 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:

Well it looks like you moved your position a bit from when we last crossed forum swords, well done, I thought you would get there in the end in spite of your attitude, sigh!Roll


I haven't moved anything, you simply didn't understand what I was saying.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#274 - 2013-10-17 13:05:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Well it looks like you moved your position a bit from when we last crossed forum swords, well done, I thought you would get there in the end in spite of your attitude, sigh!Roll


I haven't moved anything, you simply didn't understand what I was saying.


Come on, seriously, anyway I am too mellow to bother and will go back to listening to London Grammer, wonderful stuff...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#275 - 2013-10-17 13:21:20 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Well it looks like you moved your position a bit from when we last crossed forum swords, well done, I thought you would get there in the end in spite of your attitude, sigh!Roll


I haven't moved anything, you simply didn't understand what I was saying.


Come on, seriously, anyway I am too mellow to bother and will go back to listening to London Grammer, wonderful stuff...


What I always find confusing is that people like you will say something dumb, get called on it, and act surprised. You replied to my post, i don't say anything to you first. As I told you back then, if you need to feel like I'm somehow the reason for your own mistakes, feel free to.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#276 - 2013-10-17 13:30:26 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Well it looks like you moved your position a bit from when we last crossed forum swords, well done, I thought you would get there in the end in spite of your attitude, sigh!Roll


I haven't moved anything, you simply didn't understand what I was saying.


Come on, seriously, anyway I am too mellow to bother and will go back to listening to London Grammer, wonderful stuff...


What I always find confusing is that people like you will say something dumb, get called on it, and act surprised. You replied to my post, i don't say anything to you first. As I told you back then, if you need to feel like I'm somehow the reason for your own mistakes, feel free to.



That is so funny, I am talking about the position you took in a previous thread in which I exchanged my viewpoint and you exchanged insults and your viewpoint which as I said has moved a bit in this thread from that previous thread.Big smileShockedLolRoll

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#277 - 2013-10-17 13:38:05 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Well it looks like you moved your position a bit from when we last crossed forum swords, well done, I thought you would get there in the end in spite of your attitude, sigh!Roll


I haven't moved anything, you simply didn't understand what I was saying.


Come on, seriously, anyway I am too mellow to bother and will go back to listening to London Grammer, wonderful stuff...


What I always find confusing is that people like you will say something dumb, get called on it, and act surprised. You replied to my post, i don't say anything to you first. As I told you back then, if you need to feel like I'm somehow the reason for your own mistakes, feel free to.



That is so funny, I am talking about the position you took in a previous thread in which I exchanged my viewpoint and you exchanged insults and your viewpoint which as I said has moved a bit in this thread from that previous thread.Big smileShockedLolRoll


Again, my viewpoint hasn't changed. You simply did not understand it for some reason. I'm sorry you can't understand that, (but you seem to have not understanding things trained to 6, which is an exploit, someone should petition you).

It must be nice to live in a world where up is down, left is right and Dracvlad actually makes sense.
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#278 - 2013-10-17 13:45:07 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:
Yes. complete safety. Definitely no cloaky t3's to deal with when you have sov!

You can even bring the noctis out, unescorted.

Seriously though, my null adventure involved a tachy oracle and excitement when I got a 5 mil tick. I cant imagine it's a guristas/bloods difference.

You realize that in a combat site you cannot be hot dropped and you also cannot be surprised now that a cloaky must uncloak to use an acceleration gate? You can also drop a couple of cans at the warp in point to decloak any cloaky you miss using the acceleration gate. The majority are multiple gated sites so cloaky must use multiple gates and slow boat to each acceleration gate.

If you have an alt on the entry gate there is 0% chance you'll ever be surprised by a cloaky since you'll see them uncloak. Been out there for a month deep in Goon space and haven't so much as been locked by a Goon. You would have to be blind and completely wasted to get caught in a combat site.



Gamertrav and I used to make our ISK by hunting down complexers, killing them, looting them, and finishing their complex.
Those guys had a bad habit of fitting some really pretty modules to those Ishtars.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#279 - 2013-10-17 13:48:35 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

I haven't moved anything, you simply didn't understand what I was saying.


Come on, seriously, anyway I am too mellow to bother and will go back to listening to London Grammer, wonderful stuff...


What I always find confusing is that people like you will say something dumb, get called on it, and act surprised. You replied to my post, i don't say anything to you first. As I told you back then, if you need to feel like I'm somehow the reason for your own mistakes, feel free to.



That is so funny, I am talking about the position you took in a previous thread in which I exchanged my viewpoint and you exchanged insults and your viewpoint which as I said has moved a bit in this thread from that previous thread.Big smileShockedLolRoll


Again, my viewpoint hasn't changed. You simply did not understand it for some reason. I'm sorry you can't understand that, (but you seem to have not understanding things trained to 6, which is an exploit, someone should petition you).

It must be nice to live in a world where up is down, left is right and Dracvlad actually makes sense.


Funny, but you should be more consistent, as for the second sentence, we do live in a world where left is right and up is down, wrong is right and the right are wrong, where criminals are the victims and the victims are the criminals and where people get bigger punishments for speeding in their car then someone who beats someone into a pulp... And everytime I read someone like you on the forums I understand exactly how we got there! Yes its funny, just like you Big smileRoll

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#280 - 2013-10-17 14:06:22 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


Funny, but you should be more consistent, as for the second sentence, we do live in a world where left is right and up is down, wrong is right and the right are wrong, where criminals are the victims and the victims are the criminals and where people get bigger punishments for speeding in their car then someone who beats someone into a pulp... And everytime I read someone like you on the forums I understand exactly how we got there! Yes its funny, just like you Big smileRoll


Folks, this is what being off your meds looks like.