Player Features and Ideas Discussion

YO-5000 RHML, located at the bottom of the list for alphabetical sorting reasons.

Naga on steroids?

I made some graphs for you nice people to muse over, enjoy:

Damage Projection for Battleship Launchers

and my personal favorite graph:

Battleship Launcher Comparison -- Anti Support

My full analysis of these launchers with other graphs and whatnot can be found here:

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher Analysis


Let me know what you think.

These weapons seem tailored for shooting - and doing large amounts of damage to - everything between the size of cruiser and battlecruiser regardless of speed. It basically makes small gang PvP with missile battleships viable. I haven't finished the math on what a Golem is going to look like, but my money is on scary.

ok confirmed nacy scorp and hrml are awesome with drones around 800 dps...

For the Marauder, the hits just keep on coming...


I think that's a really solid writeup. I also recant - they look fine as proposed (good work CCP). The one conclusion that I did draw from this is that torpedoes need some sweet loving in the worst way. Maybe a slight damage and range buff?

As I said in the comment section, nice article !

It enlighten the role of these missiles and how they are a viable solution to pvp for missile battleships.
It is true that given the situation and the absence of range bonuses, these "long-distance" missiles are not overlapping cruise missiles domain, while at the same time, torpedoes cannot really be compared to them since they are reserved for truly massive targets.
From what I see, the missile system for battleships won't work the same way than the turret system does, since for instance a torpedo will never reach the dps of, say, a blaster, on a "regular pvp target". Yet this is balanced since there is an alternative that fits nicely at disruptor range.

Each missile type keeps its domain, and now that an interceptor can move from out of D-scan range from grid in less than 10 seconds, it is needed to have a chance of killing them even when you are a missile battleship :o

So.. good job ? :D

Interesting gadgets.

When they release I will probably try them out for PvE. As damage application bonuses will not apply then probably on typhoon. Something on the lines of 6x lanuchers, few missile speed rigs and probably rigor, probably sentry drones as well. Load with FoF and let them handle frigs that get close while using sentries to apply damage to targets at range.

Not entirely convinced it will be effective but I'm interested to try to see.

At first glance the damage ends up in the same ballpark with these as Tengu with heavy missiles.

I mean fleet phoon with these should be limping as far as approx 500 dps with t1 ammo for these which aint all that bad. Then top it off with sentries and it should be sort of decent platform.

That would be a huge oversight, and something that I would STRONGLY advocate to change.



Do the damage applications change significantly based on skills only? No, not at all. Same as damage projection. As RHMLs still don't quite apply their full damage even against MWD Battlcruisers (Currently at 78% PME), the application against all targets will go up. The only case where this would cause a discrepancy between the weapon systems would be if you had hit 100% PME for one weapon system and not the other. As this only happen in extreme ranges for all of these systems, that's not a concern.

However, this that DO cause a change in the graph is of course non-consistent bonuses from ships such as the Typhoon.

I ran them quickly (aka didn't save the graph) but all it did was serve to close the gap between the missile systems - it definitely didn't make them ineffective or outclassed for their niche in the damage/projection graph. Really, Cruise and Torpedoes are the systems that need that bonus in order to actually function somewhat respectably, whereas certain ship bonus (ala Typhoon) would turn RHMLs into murder machines against certain ship classes such as cruisers.

I'll have more detailed information for ship bonuses soon ish maybe. I am lazy afterall.

Base damage is taken into account in all cases.

The "arbitrary values" part simply refers to an unskilled pilot using a launcher with no ship bonuses.

The units are "Applied Damage per Second per Launcher," and they do take base damage into account.