EVE General Discussion

eh? this is their game, we might be paying customers but they will control it however they feel they need to, including kicking out said paying customers

enjoy

Why pick on new players when you can recruit them to do your bidding?

Lets see when "rookie" blobs start roam around killing people..

For all the whiners crapping about this, take a look at the dialog CCP asks you if you quit the game. They want to know why? Why are you quitting after 1 week, 2 weeks. "Because I heard this was a great communitly but all I meet are assholes shooting me in my one crummy ship I'm grinding for days on end. This isn't fun, I'll play something else". Then all the fu*ktards say "Go back to WOW, bla bla bla". Fewls...

It is unfortunate that CCP has to force people not behave like slow-witted asshats.

You miss the point entirely.

I meant that people will abuse this to get others banned. So, someone like me could get some plex, whip up a few newbie accounts, and ram them into someone in low/null etc, and whoosh, banned for picking on newbs.

When I say "not familiar with EVE players" what I meant was that people are going to abuse this, and use it like a weapon.

Like when CCP started cracking down on links to "erotic materials" in fleets during the Fountain War. The various spies were selectively using it to get important fleet members banned, to beat them without fighting them.

So, basically, adding more rules just gives people more things to cheat with. So quit adding more rules. It doesn't help newbies, it won't make improve their turnaround numbers, all it will do is create more things for people to grief with.

You want to know how to help newbies? Education. The feeling of not knowing what you're doing is the real thing holding newbies back.

If im understanding the changes correctly its actually a good change in my opinion.

I know it seems a bit..odd that people can get punished for abusing/scamming new players outside of rookie systems, but (and this is my guess) i think they are trying to get to people who abuse the rules that a new player is a valid target outside of the rookie system.

As an example.
Most rookie systems will be mined out or dont have any factory slots. Both of these means the new player will have difficulty finishing certain missions while working for the career agents.
I could abuse this and place my self on the gate going into said rookie system, make my self flagged, scam them, gank them or whatever i wanted too and no one could say a thing. And i could do this every single day if i wanted to.

Having spent a lot of time in rookie systems lately i have heard about one that caught my attention.
The player would do as listed above, sit in the next door system flagged right on the gate, but he would also have alts that would constantly fire at him. Low damage, so the alts couldent actually hurt him, but new players would jump in, see this person sitting flagged with others fighting him and try to shoot him as well and next thing they knew they got blown up.

Of course there was nothing that could be done about this, beyond older players sending regular warnings in local to not agess the person in question if they jumped trough the gate.

With the new rules a person that is sitting right outside the rookie system could actually be punished, or at least get a warning so they would back off, which is why i think its a good change.

However, the change should only affect people who purposely hang out to go after the new players. Someone who just happens to be flagged passing by the rookie systems and get agressed by a new player and blows them up should not be punished of course. Its the people who will purposely do it day after day that should be counted as "breaking the rules", not the ones that really just happened to be agressed by a new player without aiming for that to happen once in a while.

PS. Thank you for the clarification on what is and is not allowed in rookie systems. Still leaves some questions but its still much clearer then it was before

Its very vague i will admit, but im guessing that is on purpose so that it can be changed when/if needed and with things like this its... hard to consider all options and ways people can find to try and get around it. Again i can just guess here.
Thats why im hoping that they will not punish people who dont purposely go after new players, but instead will check into people who get reported for griefing outside of rookie systems and see if its a recurring thing (like they will go to different rookie areas a few times a week and stay there for a few hours flagging them self).

If they will hit down on say...the person who blew up a 10 day old player in Jita as an example, or the scammers who spammed Amarr local with the ISK doubling scam and just happened to scam a young player..That would be going to far since EVE is supposed to be harsh, and even if i agree that new players should be protected to some extent, they should not be hand held and protected from anything that could harm them, just from those trying to abuse their lack of knowledge.

For the people trying to find some way of getting you in trouble using the "new" rules around impersonation. Well honestly its quite silly and hopefully its something that will pass when people get "bored" of it and forget that they are "supposed" to be angry about it

And thats something only CCP will know.
But if your sitting in a rookie system, or next door to a rookie system, chances are high that it is actually a new player, and i would imagine that a person who purposely go to these less crowded systems instead of somewhere like Jita are fully aware of this.
While if they are doing it in Jita, and direct the scam towards everyone instead of something like...
"Special offer for characters under 30 days only! Send me 10 mill and you will get X amount in return!" there is nothing that indicates that they are looking to grief new players.

It's about time they updated the wording of that rule. It used to apply specifically to can-baiting which is no longer a thing since the safety button was added. Now they sit there in a far superior ship with a suspect timer targeting the new players as they undock, or spam them with duel requests.