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Big Brother Is Watching you

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Grinder2210
ArrowStar Forces
#1 - 2013-09-11 13:46:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Grinder2210
You Decide


CCP Has made some changes to the Rookie Systems Rule https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems

Im all for helping and teaching new players the game, but the wording clearly sets ground work makeing shooting any new player in any system a offance

Old Wording :

Warning: Attempting to trick new players in to situations where you can fire on them freely, such as can flipping them, in these systems is prohibited.

New Wording :

Warning: Attempting to abuse a new player’s lack of knowledge of the game and its mechanic for your personal gain or simply for their harm is prohibited in these solar systems. This includes, but is not limited to; tricking new players into situations where you or others may open fire on them freely or scamming ISK or assets from them. Disregarding warnings to cease such behavior from authorized CCP personnel is considered to be in violation of section 6 of the EVE Online Terms of Service.

Pilots found to pursue activities against new players in other areas may be subject to further restrictions as deemed necessary by CCP Games Customer Support Team.




This post isnt about rookie systems this post is about everysystem

Whan you read this dont think about the systems listed as rookie system think about every eveonline System Thats what the GM posting this is saying

"Pilots found to pursue activities against new players in other areas may be subject to further restrictions[/u] as deemed necessary by CCP Games Customer Support Team"

This rule Can be applyed anywere the GM sees fit From Jita to the deepst cornor of Null Sec
Metal Icarus
Failed Diplomacy
#2 - 2013-09-11 13:47:50 UTC
K
RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-09-11 13:48:30 UTC
I like the new rules. Gives new players a chance.
Vobard
Corporation 310527
#4 - 2013-09-11 13:50:33 UTC
I'd shoot it.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-09-11 13:53:52 UTC
Oh noes, how dare a company want to retain its new paying customers for longer than a day
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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#6 - 2013-09-11 13:53:53 UTC
Grinder2210 wrote:
You Decide


CCP Has made some changes to the Rookie Systems Rule https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems

Im all for helping and teaching new players the game, but the wording clearly sets ground work makeing shooting any new player in any system a offance

And?
New players should be left alone. That's how the population will grow. Once they've got to grips with the game and they are at the point where they won't immediately delete the game when they lose a ship, they can be ganked.

And dude... your current corp and corp history shows you are not one who cares much about rules.

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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#7 - 2013-09-11 13:54:30 UTC
Keep in mind that most newbies dont know how to petition you in the first place.

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Vobard
Corporation 310527
#8 - 2013-09-11 13:57:30 UTC
Well let's be serious for a moment and take a look at all those high isk suicide ganks done to players 30 days old or less. If a rookie can lead you to warnings and or bans anywhere in space then those lol kills around Jita could technically get you guys in trouble should CCP decide to take action.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#9 - 2013-09-11 14:01:47 UTC
no more easy targets for you, eh? Big smile
Tikitina
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-09-11 14:01:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Tikitina
Vobard wrote:
Well let's be serious for a moment and take a look at all those high isk suicide ganks done to players 30 days old or less. If a rookie can lead you to warnings and or bans anywhere in space then those lol kills around Jita could technically get you guys in trouble should CCP decide to take action.



Since when is Jita a Rookie System?




Grinder2210 wrote:

CCP Has made some changes to the Rookie Systems Rule...
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#11 - 2013-09-11 14:02:16 UTC
how long is a player considered a rookie?
Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-09-11 14:04:08 UTC
embrel wrote:
how long is a player considered a rookie?

^this... dumb rules are dumb..
Vobard
Corporation 310527
#13 - 2013-09-11 14:05:31 UTC
Tikitina wrote:
Vobard wrote:
Well let's be serious for a moment and take a look at all those high isk suicide ganks done to players 30 days old or less. If a rookie can lead you to warnings and or bans anywhere in space then those lol kills around Jita could technically get you guys in trouble should CCP decide to take action.



Since when is Jita a Rookie System?




Grinder2210 wrote:

CCP Has made some changes to the Rookie Systems Rule...



You probably missed the part in the change where this is not confined to rookie systems anymore.
Vobard
Corporation 310527
#14 - 2013-09-11 14:06:11 UTC
embrel wrote:
how long is a player considered a rookie?



A senior GM once told me a rookie is any player 30 days old or less.

Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#15 - 2013-09-11 14:10:15 UTC
Who actually scams noobies? IF you're doing that you seriously need to wake up.

However, treating new people like this is getting on my nerves now, but in the long run, it just means you can scam them for more when they're an older character
Vobard
Corporation 310527
#16 - 2013-09-11 14:17:48 UTC
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
Who actually scams noobies? IF you're doing that you seriously need to wake up.

However, treating new people like this is getting on my nerves now, but in the long run, it just means you can scam them for more when they're an older character



I'll just make 5 rookie alts for eyes and be immune because they are rookies right?
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#17 - 2013-09-11 14:28:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
Tron 3K wrote:
embrel wrote:
how long is a player considered a rookie?

^this... dumb rules are dumb..

So long as the GM decides you are using unfairly deceptive or overwhelming ways to abuse new players just for kicks. Repeatedly suicide ganking a month-old character inside his level 1 missions will get you in trouble. Killing a two day old newb running around lowsec in a cruiser is fine. It's up to the GM ultimately.

Why not go pick on someone who's already hooked onto Eve and has some chance to at least know what's going on? Not only is it more sporting and fair than sucker-punching people who don't even know how to align to empty space, but you'd also not be hurting Eve as a game and community by giving newcomers a chance to adapt.

Yes, the rules are subjective. But if you're concerned about a GM getting involved, then the GM should probably be involved. In other words, HTFU, GTFO, or a GM will make you.

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Maximilian Akora
It's just business.
#18 - 2013-09-11 14:34:37 UTC
Good change imo, finally a stick for the GMs to beat the sackless clowns with. Newbies in newbie systems are off limits and any one trying to make up "logic" for why that's wrong is terrible.
Grinder2210
ArrowStar Forces
#19 - 2013-09-11 14:38:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Grinder2210
Ok i have A pritty good idea what a rookie is ( A rookie is any Player under 30days old )

The wording now isnt Rookie its New player so now i have to ask whats a new player is that anyone with less experance

'Warning: Attempting to abuse a new player’s lack of knowledge of the game "

Idk about you but ive met players with no pvp knowledge at all after playing for 10years ... .....


"This includes, but is not limited to; tricking new players" "Pilots found to pursue activities against new players in other areas may be subject to further restrictions "

Ok so your sitting outside Jita 44 in a shiney new gank Nado random suspect undocks you fire Suspect die's you lol Few days later you get a Worning for attacking rookies

Fact is this Could happen just read the rule im not saying it is happening IDK but If Players have to Check the age of every player thay shoot in every system there in Includeing LowSec and Null space this to me in unfar to Every Player in EVE
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-09-11 14:38:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
So i once ganked a month old player who sat afk at a highsec gate
in a 320mill bling daredevil.

Ban me?

What about those people who shoot to recruit?
Many do this and it works greatly.


Will you also ban bittervets who sit in rookiechat tricking new players into mining and mission,
basically hurting their experience by exploiting that they don't know better?
They should be banned!
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