EVE General Discussion

Un-nerf hi-sec plz

yet the US do it as well, hmmm... seems to have an effect on stimulus, inflation would not hurt to assure people use their ships and spend their money... those ISKis for most are more important then playing the game

You want instant gratification, we get that. There's plenty of games out there that will give you it, Eve is not one of them.

Something you get given pales in worth when compared to something that you have worked for. When something is given it has no value, especially if you get given another one the instant it is destroyed. It is taken for granted.

A RL comparison would be parents giving a child a bike, and then replacing it when the child breaks it, to the child it has no value. If that child had to mow lawns, deliver papers and otherwise earn that bike, it becomes worth something to them, and they tend not to break it.

I play Counter Strike - a PvP "arena" game. I've played PS2 - a PvP FPS MMO - it was fun early on but I quit while the "planes Tanks & fodder" mode was still prevalent and see no reason to continue nor return. I've also bought into the pre-release of Interstellar Marines - another "arena" based game when it's finished (with a bit more). I've played Starcraft, SC2, Sins of a Solar Empire, etc... Plenty of PvP style in strategy & such...

No grinding for epics, etc. and fairly well known PvP games albeit different formats from this one.

There is plenty of interest in EVE's annual "tournaments" for the elite level players yet whenever such is talked about for non-elitists, we see mass "no way in hell!!!" statements...

It is odd how so many like that and support it fully but would not like to see such introduced for "the average EVE player" to enjoy playing. Kind of "for the elite, they can have arranged matches but unless we can crash to trash these others, they should not be allowed to do so in EVE!!!"...

No it's not, you are trying to apply concepts like arenas to a game that was never designed to support them. You seem to want maximum reward for minimal effort, Eve doesn't work that way. If you want instant combat there are many many games out there that offer it, some of us play them as well.

Your ideas would turn Eve into a clone of multiple other games, it would offer nothing unique, nothing different. why would people play an Eve that has exactly the same options as all the other games? 90% of other MMOs have died or gone free 2 play because they've tried to be World of Warcraft and failed, they offer the same basic gameplay in a different setting.

Eve's appeal is that it doesn't have arenas, isn't trying to be WoW, or its clones, and has its own unique way of doing things. It appeals to people who like to play a game with long term goals in mind.

thats why I say, arenas will bring people to the game, but later on when you get tired of it you will start the EvE metagame with SoV fights and stuff, this would work, the other arena games do not have a good metagame thats why they get boring, eve could be the perfect combination, early on you can fight in arenas and grind up slowely, and as soon as you get tired of the arenas you will move over to the real deal, nullsec Sov gameplay

at the moment eve is missing this early gameplay, it just provides the endgame and to get there is really difficult and takes to long, there needs to be something in between, arenas would be the ideal sollution for that, it would make the game more attractive for casual players, and many of those would want to stay for the metagame after they did see what EvE can provide on that scale

Those casuals you wish to attract, are generally the same casuals who play a game for 3-6 months and then move onto the next game. They have no sense of investment, they're also the ones who will incessantly whine about non-consensual PvP, highsec not being safe enough, ship fitting being "hard", "I can't grind XP by harvesting asteroids", ad infinitum.

because the metagame was flawed of those other games, if the matagame is attractive the people will move on to it after they got tired of the arenas, or play the metagame next to it, it can work together perfectly if the two parts of the game provide different things, different satisfaction... having SoV space is a good reason for metagame in eve, pretty sure people would still want that, the would concentrate more on the bigger SoV fights that would not be bad either, sure the day to day PvP might go down out there, but it is already thin, people should play SoV fights much more, and they will... arenas would freshen up the SoV fights because that would be the main focus out there because normal PvP they can get in arenas

This is also what you got wrong- there is no normal PVP in arenas.

don't get stuck on the words, I mean fast access to fights