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So this is it for eve, is this the future, is it?

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embrel
BamBam Inc.
#141 - 2013-08-28 15:19:19 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:

Welcome to the wonders of capitalism that isn't anything like feudalism/slavery.


no it isn't.
try to opt-out in feudalism/slavery. you can neither in capitalism you'll claim. well, that's more your mental problem than anything else. of course you can. you're just too addicted to all the shinies.
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#142 - 2013-08-28 15:30:30 UTC
Yeep wrote:
Except its not a limited increase, its a significant increase in some areas and an exponential increase in others. And you don't have to surrender any of your identity (Also what the **** is personal sovereignty? Is this you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfVbiefMdNU).


So, joining a group will give me unlimited power? That's basically what you're saying.
Personal sovereignty . . . individual autonomy . . . inalienable authority over myself . . . is that a hard concept for you to grasp or are you just being facetious?

Yeep wrote:
No, you don't have to be the best at everything but your refusal to outsource tasks you aren't good at removes your right to complain about them. I have no idea how my car works but if it broke I'd either find a friend who could fix it or pay someone to do it. I wouldn't sit around complaining that I can't go places as fast as other people.


What task am I refusing to outsource?

You could also pick up a book or go online and read or even take a class at your local college or vocational school and learn to fix the car yourself. What some of us are sitting around complaining about EVE Online is that there are virtually no circumstances under which we could fix the car ourselves.

Yeep wrote:
Its generally called a society or a community.


Yes, and a society or community that has certain characteristics may be classified as a cult.
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#143 - 2013-08-28 15:31:06 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Rekon X wrote:
I have always wondered for years why any EvE player would join or even assist the CFC.


It's not complicated. People like being on the winning side.


silly me. after reading the post of another goon I really considered for a tiny part of a moment that it's because you're all a bunch of best buddies...

Andski wrote:
that or you're upset that people who don't have a crippling lack of social graces have friends


now I lost some illusions:/
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#144 - 2013-08-28 15:44:21 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Why THE **** would I lie about a video game to a total stranger? Try again.

You 100% definitely did lie though.
You said that's your only char, and you said you'd joined a 0.0 corp. Since that char as never been in anything other than an NPC corp one of those two comments MUST have been a lie.

I'm guessing this is not your only character, and that this is actually your forum alt because you lack the conviction behind your words and feel you have to hide behind anonymity to express your opinions. Shame that.

Whichever way it falls, nothing you say is of consequence.

Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
You could also pick up a book or go online and read or even take a class at your local college or vocational school and learn to fix the car yourself. What some of us are sitting around complaining about EVE Online is that there are virtually no circumstances under which we could fix the car ourselves.

You could form a large alliance and take sov by force. You may not be able to take goon sov, but there's plenty of smaller sov holders than the CFC. By becoming allies with your potential neighbors in advance you can avoid being immediately crushed.
The problem is, you want to take sov without having to have anyone with you. That's just not possible. If any solo idiot could easily take sov, sov would simply change hands every 30 seconds and be pretty much pointless.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#145 - 2013-08-28 15:51:36 UTC
JinSanJong wrote:
Just one giant doughnut of renter space!? Is this what eve has now become?
There's something seriously wrong here. How can an alliance hold space and yet not live there and then rent it out? Surely the game is about gaining space, and keeping hold of it? The amount of nullsec thats now become rental space is just crazy,

OK OK, some might say, well we are getting more people into nullsec, we are allowing people that couldnt get into nullsec a chance to. OK we will charge them stupidly high prices but meh we dont want that space anyway. and herein lies the problem.

Why arent nullsec alliances exploiting the mining riches, the anomolies etc to make there isk like everyone else has to, instead of being lazy so and so's? Really they should be having mass mining ops, or large anomaly bashing ops instead of being carebears (which ironically they moan about high sec carebears) these are 10x worse. They wont do anything, they cry about their passive moon income being nerf because they simply cannot be bothered to go an actually make isk.

Is this really where eve has gone and going?

I mean yeah live in a region and have a few renters to make that extra income like some alliance do, but look at Northern Associates for instance (N3)

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates.

I mean what 10 regions or more just PURELY to rent. Surely it cant be just me that sees something wrong here.



Well, think of it like this...

You own a whole city block. You allow people to live on it because they give you money and so you won't kick them off your property.

It's a side income, or a main income, or not even income.

But it's still a way to play the game and I hardly think it will effect Eve as a whole other than to laugh at the Goons for trying to pretend they chose a different path all these years.

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Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#146 - 2013-08-28 15:52:44 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:

You could also pick up a book or go online and read or even take a class at your local college or vocational school and learn to fix the car yourself. What some of us are sitting around complaining about EVE Online is that there are virtually no circumstances under which we could fix the car ourselves.


Sure I could learn to fix my car myself but time spent doing that would be time not spent doing something else like getting better at road cycling.

Holding space in Eve requires being very good at a lot of things because thats the bar that has been set by the people who currently hold it. They are able to set the bar that high because they employ a lot of people who are very good at individual things. You as an individual do not have the time to become as good at all the things so your options are be mediocre at a bunch of things or find some allies who are good at the things you are not.

If you pick the first option you will never hold space.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#147 - 2013-08-28 15:54:47 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
JinSanJong wrote:
Just one giant doughnut of renter space!? Is this what eve has now become?
There's something seriously wrong here. How can an alliance hold space and yet not live there and then rent it out? Surely the game is about gaining space, and keeping hold of it? The amount of nullsec thats now become rental space is just crazy,

OK OK, some might say, well we are getting more people into nullsec, we are allowing people that couldnt get into nullsec a chance to. OK we will charge them stupidly high prices but meh we dont want that space anyway. and herein lies the problem.

Why arent nullsec alliances exploiting the mining riches, the anomolies etc to make there isk like everyone else has to, instead of being lazy so and so's? Really they should be having mass mining ops, or large anomaly bashing ops instead of being carebears (which ironically they moan about high sec carebears) these are 10x worse. They wont do anything, they cry about their passive moon income being nerf because they simply cannot be bothered to go an actually make isk.

Is this really where eve has gone and going?

I mean yeah live in a region and have a few renters to make that extra income like some alliance do, but look at Northern Associates for instance (N3)

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates.

I mean what 10 regions or more just PURELY to rent. Surely it cant be just me that sees something wrong here.


The most profitable business IRL has always been farming people.
When it was called slavery there were uprisings and profits suffered.
They tried indentured servants but that caused issues too.
Finally they tried capitalism and amazingly even though via mortgages, insurance, banking, telecoms, power companies, supermarkets etc etc a ever greater amount of your productive life is spent enriching others people call it freedom.
When you enslave whole countries via invasion you also get problems so puppet governments, 3rd world debt, and the IMF were created to replace colonialism.
As in life so in EVE
It is better to make other people farm ISK for you than to do it yourself.
Welcome to the wonders of capitalism that isn't anything like feudalism/slavery.



Feel free to take the whip to me until I move onto your land =P

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#148 - 2013-08-28 15:56:29 UTC
Nerf something!nao

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#149 - 2013-08-28 15:59:16 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Rekon X wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Rekon X wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Highsec NPC corp guy angry about nullsec stuff.


This is the intelligent posts we come to expect from goonpuds.

Go back to your area, surrounded by your buffer of alliances protecting your carebear pod.

Hide in your numbers cause you suck.


You sound like you are mad about Goons.


This post says it all.

I have always wondered for years why any EvE player would join or even assist the CFC as by doing so they gain a reputation for incompetence and lack of intelligence. CFC only win by fighting 400 v 50 everyone in EvE knows that. CFC are fighting to gain all null sec moons. CFC leadership don't want to have good fights or fun content for its members or anyone else. They just want to spoon feed the members that its ok to fight 400 v 50 so that their personal isk increases. By helping the CFC you are literally destroying null sec for anyone who lives in it and most especially destroying it for the CFC members who will never know what it is to have a good fight, their future is sitting in 200 man gate camp on a high sec gate waiting several hours for a nube ship to jump in to null by accident. Anyone who doesn't realize that this is the future being fought for really is very stupid.

EvE players are meant to be more intelligent then people who play other games but clearly the very large majority who are either in the CFC or assisting them prove that in fact that although a small minority are in fact very intelligent, the majority have a much lower then average IQ.

Sad little goons. It really is pathetic.


It's really easy to tell when someone has never left hi-sec.





Odd response.... when I left highsec to go up to Stain (was next door to Tribal at the time) the only thing I truly noticed was the lack of a market and the fact gate guns didn't shoot me.

Beyond that it was about waiting, clicking a titan, and either blowing someone up or getting blown up. Highsec wasn't all that much different.

NPC space is NPC space.

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#150 - 2013-08-28 16:11:32 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Leigh Akiga wrote:
Endless moongoo threads lead us to this...


Threads "nerf high sec force them to null" incoming Soon™


Maximillian German wrote:
Don't even try to argue with Harry Forever. He is covered in 1600mm plates of pure idiocy.


You forgot the warp stabs, always more warp stabs Lol


you could team up, just checked Maximillians Scorpion fitting, that he lost, pathetic... real pros are on the start here

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2013-08-28 16:14:29 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:



It doesn't really matter what hands there are between you and your overlord. You are supporting the entity that is keeping you from exercising sovereignty in that space. If you are doing that willingly, willfully, then . . . what would you say that makes you?

I realized that man is something of a prisoner of his own inner nature, no matter the milieu..
Big smile

Since you say this is your only character and it has never left the safety of an NPC in highsec, what would you know of the issue? You pay tax in highsec what do you call yourself?


State War Academy [SWA]
Member for 1 year, 9 months, 13 days


I agree you do seem to be a prisoner of your own nature... you pay to play a MMO then hide out alone in a NPC corp. A true prisoner.
Spurty
#152 - 2013-08-28 16:14:39 UTC
Cor there's a lot of bickering in this thread.

Love it.

Lets check off some boxes for a "Good ol'Forum Drama"

[X] Bad guys cited
[X] Good guys cited
[X] White knights that have no skin in the game pipping up for the little guys
[X] Made up on the spot facts
[X] Facts and large numbers from reputable sources cited
[X] Guys that are so deep up the bum of the bad guys, they breath fresh air telling others to 'Deal with it'
[X] No sign of solution
[ ] Comedy
[X] Explosions
[ ] Car chases
[ ] Hotties
[ ] Visited by E-famous personalities

This thread lacks some of the finer points needed so not a 9/10 but a very high 7

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And ships that sail the sea

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#153 - 2013-08-28 16:15:39 UTC
Entropy as a force should never be ignored. It works on organizations as much as it works on physical bodies. Or as my granddad once said about old farmstead, "Nature wants everything to be level. If you put a fence or barn up, the forces of nature just keep working at pulling it down."
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#154 - 2013-08-28 16:18:28 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Cor there's a lot of bickering in this thread.

Love it.

Lets check off some boxes for a "Good ol'Forum Drama"

[X] Bad guys cited
[X] Good guys cited
[X] White knights that have no skin in the game pipping up for the little guys
[X] Made up on the spot facts
[X] Facts and large numbers from reputable sources cited
[X] Guys that are so deep up the bum of the bad guys, they breath fresh air telling others to 'Deal with it'
[X] No sign of solution
[ ] Comedy
[X] Explosions
[ ] Car chases
[ ] Hotties
[ ] Visited by E-famous personalities

This thread lacks some of the finer points needed so not a 9/10 but a very high 7

Harry's posting surely counts as comedy, or at the very least parody.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#155 - 2013-08-28 16:29:15 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Cor there's a lot of bickering in this thread.

Love it.

Lets check off some boxes for a "Good ol'Forum Drama"

[X] Bad guys cited
[X] Good guys cited
[X] White knights that have no skin in the game pipping up for the little guys
[X] Made up on the spot facts
[X] Facts and large numbers from reputable sources cited
[X] Guys that are so deep up the bum of the bad guys, they breath fresh air telling others to 'Deal with it'
[X] No sign of solution
[x] Comedy
[X] Explosions
[x] Car chases
[x] Hotties
[x] Visited by E-famous personalities

This thread lacks some of the finer points needed so not a 9/10 but a very high 7


Once there was a snail who was tired of being slow. He went out and bought a really fast sports car and had the dealer paint a big 'S' on each side of it. He loaded it with hotties and grabbed Chribba and would get into car chases!

Whenever someone saw him zooming past in his new car, they would say, "Hey, look at that S-car go!"


You are welcome.

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Niec Mogul
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#156 - 2013-08-28 16:31:17 UTC
Blah blah blah...whole lot of crankiness in here.

Anyways, I tell you what; y'all about to witness the crime of the century. I can just smell it coming. Goons are good for the long con; they've certainly done it before.

See, the Goons are gonna let those "dirty pubbies" rent out some space. They're going to let them walk in, make their nests, get all comfortable. Move in assets, set up POSes, the works.

Then, when the tension is just too great, when those Goon trigger fingers are just too itchy...*bam*...it's gonna be like the gymnasium scene from Carrie. The gates will be slammed shut by bubbles and the carnage will begin. The Goons will swoop in like hungry hawks and start ripping all those juicy miners and ratters to pieces. Blood and guts and carebear bits all over the place.

It'll be something to see, for sure. I can almost hear the outraged forum posts from here.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#157 - 2013-08-28 16:31:34 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Leigh Akiga wrote:
Endless moongoo threads lead us to this...


Threads "nerf high sec force them to null" incoming Soon™


Maximillian German wrote:
Don't even try to argue with Harry Forever. He is covered in 1600mm plates of pure idiocy.


You forgot the warp stabs, always more warp stabs Lol


you could team up, just checked Maximillians Scorpion fitting, that he lost, pathetic... real pros are on the start here

You mean The ECM Scorp? Seems fine to me.
Or is it that he can't possibly be a pro because he lost a ship? Like pros must never lose a ship to anything?

You fit dual warp core stabs to covert ops Harry. You are truly one of the worst EVE players in history, so let's not be talking about other peoples fits.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

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Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2013-08-28 16:45:53 UTC
Niec Mogul wrote:

Blah blah blah...whole lot of crankiness in here.

Anyways, I tell you what; y'all about to witness the crime of the century. I can just smell it coming. Goons are good for the long con; they've certainly done it before.

See, the Goons are gonna let those "dirty pubbies" rent out some space. They're going to let them walk in, make their nests, get all comfortable. Move in assets, set up POSes, the works.

Then, when the tension is just too great, when those Goon trigger fingers are just too itchy...*bam*...it's gonna be like the gymnasium scene from Carrie. The gates will be slammed shut by bubbles and the carnage will begin. The Goons will swoop in like hungry hawks and start ripping all those juicy miners and ratters to pieces. Blood and guts and carebear bits all over the place.

It'll be something to see, for sure. I can almost hear the outraged forum posts from here.
Big smile I would not be surprised!!!
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#159 - 2013-08-28 16:52:21 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
The issue is its just too easy for large alliances to claim a system and then abandon it. If someone actually wants to claim it and use it you can simply bridge to that system your not using, wipe out the smaller guys, then abandon it again. Locking up huge amounts of space with no ongoing effort.

Been exploring null sec lately, jump after jump of sov claimed systems, not a single person in any of them. Can't shoot anything, can't damage anything, most things are invulnerable, the rest are millions of hp's.

Stupid hand holding system. Its not wonder people are exploiting the weaknesses in the system to rent out huge amounts of space that they really couldn't hold if they had to defend and maintain it properly.






The plus side is though that you don't need a pos or even a station to plex or rat in those systems. Sure mining might suck, but anything else is still possible.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#160 - 2013-08-28 16:56:56 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Which would you rather do, organise huge mining ops, fight over anoms and run missions OR let other people do that and then give you chunks of isk instead.

The second sounds way easier and if you've waged a war and are only interested in fighting wars then the second option sounds a lot more palatable too.



But not necessarily more fun.

Remember, isk is inheritantly "worthless". What's the point of having it if you can't spend it and have fun with it? What's the value on something you don't spend effort on?

The game is built on risk. MMO doesn't mean a game full of friends, it means a game full of people, regardless of their attitude.

There's nothing diverse about receiving a paycheck because your name is on the title.

Second Life is more fitted for that crap.

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