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So this is it for eve, is this the future, is it?

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JinSanJong
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-08-27 22:20:33 UTC
Just one giant doughnut of renter space!? Is this what eve has now become?
There's something seriously wrong here. How can an alliance hold space and yet not live there and then rent it out? Surely the game is about gaining space, and keeping hold of it? The amount of nullsec thats now become rental space is just crazy,

OK OK, some might say, well we are getting more people into nullsec, we are allowing people that couldnt get into nullsec a chance to. OK we will charge them stupidly high prices but meh we dont want that space anyway. and herein lies the problem.

Why arent nullsec alliances exploiting the mining riches, the anomolies etc to make there isk like everyone else has to, instead of being lazy so and so's? Really they should be having mass mining ops, or large anomaly bashing ops instead of being carebears (which ironically they moan about high sec carebears) these are 10x worse. They wont do anything, they cry about their passive moon income being nerf because they simply cannot be bothered to go an actually make isk.

Is this really where eve has gone and going?

I mean yeah live in a region and have a few renters to make that extra income like some alliance do, but look at Northern Associates for instance (N3)

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates.

I mean what 10 regions or more just PURELY to rent. Surely it cant be just me that sees something wrong here.
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#2 - 2013-08-27 22:25:54 UTC
I take it you've never heard of the term "outsourcing".
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-08-27 22:28:35 UTC
The alliances that hold the sov have worked hard and often had to fight another alliance for that sov. As long as they own it, they should be allowed to use the space however they want, even if it means renting it out. It's just like a real estate business. The people selling a piece of property to you don't necessarily have to be using it (that's probably why they are selling/renting it out in the first place).

The alliance renting out their space makes money, and the renters are able to live in nullsec without being tied down to said alliances. They an move in and do what they need/want to do for as long as they can pay for it. It's a win-win for everyone.

If an alliance doesn't want to rent out their space, they don't have to. Simple.

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Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
#4 - 2013-08-27 22:28:39 UTC
You are the first to point this out. Now that you bought attention to this issue, it will surely change in the near future.

Iszi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-08-27 22:36:55 UTC
JinSanJong wrote:
I mean yeah live in a region and have a few renters to make that extra income like some alliance do, but look at Northern Associates for instance (N3)

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates.

I mean what 10 regions or more just PURELY to rent. Surely it cant be just me that sees something wrong here.


Nothing wrong at all; http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Goonswarm_Federation
JinSanJong
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-08-27 22:54:01 UTC
Iszi wrote:
JinSanJong wrote:
I mean yeah live in a region and have a few renters to make that extra income like some alliance do, but look at Northern Associates for instance (N3)

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates.

I mean what 10 regions or more just PURELY to rent. Surely it cant be just me that sees something wrong here.


Nothing wrong at all; http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Goonswarm_Federation


the na. was just an example it wasnt purely aimed a them, im talking about the whole situation
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-08-27 22:54:47 UTC
"this is it for eve" ?

There's a whole ton of stuff in eve that isn't nullsec.
Don't really care about the rest of your post.
JinSanJong
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-08-27 22:58:52 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
The alliances that hold the sov have worked hard and often had to fight another alliance for that sov. As long as they own it, they should be allowed to use the space however they want, even if it means renting it out. It's just like a real estate business. The people selling a piece of property to you don't necessarily have to be using it (that's probably why they are selling/renting it out in the first place).

The alliance renting out their space makes money, and the renters are able to live in nullsec without being tied down to said alliances. They an move in and do what they need/want to do for as long as they can pay for it. It's a win-win for everyone.

If an alliance doesn't want to rent out their space, they don't have to. Simple.


this is a game btw, just pointing that out. So shall we now put in the eve trailers. "Eve is no longer a sandbox, your game is controlled by others sorry, if you want to go into nullsec, just kiss someones ass, pay stupid amount of isk for even the worse systems, these are thew new microtransactions, oh but we still expect your monthly fee. Play on one server, but remember the players that have been playing for years have control of everything and you wont have the same level playing field as they did when only 3000 ppl ws online"

i mean lets be honest here...whilst we are at it.
JinSanJong
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-08-27 22:59:46 UTC
Bischopt wrote:
"this is it for eve" ?

There's a whole ton of stuff in eve that isn't nullsec.
Don't really care about the rest of your post.


not very good though is it..
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-08-27 23:01:25 UTC
Highsec NPC corp guy angry about nullsec stuff.

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GreenSeed
#11 - 2013-08-27 23:02:57 UTC
this is clearly something that can be resolved by nerfing highsec, banning all the goons, removing offgrid boosting, nerfing incursions, shuffling around the moons, making PvP consensual, and giving titans their AoE DD again.

or just about any other idiotic suggestion thats trending on GD this week.
JinSanJong
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-08-27 23:07:27 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Highsec NPC corp guy angry about nullsec stuff.


TYpical goon making a fool of himself, nullsec npc guy angry about nullsec stuff, get it right
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#13 - 2013-08-27 23:12:48 UTC
What?!?!?! All of nullsec will be a big blue doughnut again?!?!?! Renters everywhere?!??!

I guess the weekly Herding Cats / Highsec Braveheart fleets can attack in any direction now.





Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-08-27 23:16:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
Well renting is a nice way to enjoy null without the drawbacks of having to deal with the politics of null and thier society of sorts.

That said, I heard someone on voice comms from a certain alliance wringing his hands at the prospect of killing Goon's renters as it will be unlikely fleets will be formed to defend them unlike say NCDOT.

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Rengerel en Distel
#15 - 2013-08-27 23:17:19 UTC
Damn you sandbox game, making people take the course that people throughout history have always taken! Next thing you know, people will only take part in fights they can win, there will be risk adverse people that run at any sign of conflict, and other people will whine about things they don't like.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Harland White
Adventurer's Guild
#16 - 2013-08-27 23:21:08 UTC
EVE is fine how it is. Why are people constantly wanting to "fix" something that isn't broken?

By their fruit you will recognize them.

Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#17 - 2013-08-27 23:21:37 UTC
Endless moongoo threads lead us to this...
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#18 - 2013-08-27 23:24:42 UTC
I can imagine some of that rent is going into the RMT business. I mean, that is a lot of ISK to be pulling in.
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-08-27 23:25:07 UTC
Nobody is forcing you to rent nullspace. If you don't want to rent, form your own alliance and take it by force. IF you can.

TEST alt detected???
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#20 - 2013-08-27 23:32:11 UTC
For years the only alliance-level income source in 0.0 has been moongoo and rent. I think its time to introduce a new treasure. In the real world we fight wars for oil. How about introducing naturally occuring fuel-streams (phenomenon) in 0.0

POS/jump fuel- that can be harvested much the same way as harvesting gas clouds.
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