Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I dont care much for nano zealots. I want to be able to fly solo in an armor , possibly active tanked zealot. And to do that i would need some way to dealt with frigs that is not lock them and pray to empress jamyl that they die before they reach you.

Zealot and eagle are also the *only* hacs that can be completely shut down by a single frig with a scram and a TD. And even then the eagld has a choice to forgo tank to put in more webs. The zealot has none of that.

No, No, No

The fastest ship does not also get the most range. You're already at 3.3 + 32 with barrage which means 76.6% of your damage at 23.5 km or just farthest scram range. In fact, the fastest ship should have the shortest range forcing him to commit.

Compare that with a deimos . . . 22.1% slower, stuck with an armor tank and half the range . . .

Keep looking is all I can say.

- What the hell does a "brawler" need a 40km SR weapon system range for, that is kiting distance. Might be a good idea for you to sit down and hash out the (role) definitions before committing to anything as the schizophrenic Sacrilege indicates that you are harbouring some confusion as to what a brawler is.
- How many ship through the history of Eve has had the moniker "high utility, lots of different things" and how much were they actually used .. It is all fine if they are on par when doing the things they can do but then you are in generalized territory (ie. no longer T2/HAC) as a T2 hull being able to do any one thing as well as a ship tilted towards a single mode would be OP as hell.
Result is a Swiss Army knife made of plastic; Great utility, can do loads of stuff. Just be prepared to go elsewhere when it fails the second time it is used for something other than as a letter opener.

It can still be saved however, will still be a plasticky utility knife but with a few titanium reinforced utilities:
Two options remain that will not break it, at least not more than the norm for rebalanced ships, take one or both as deemed necessary.

Sacrilege has anaemic dps comparatively, you are forced to carry ec300 (when are they getting the nerf bat by the way?) outside the blob so in reality you are only getting the equivalent of 2 light drones worth of damage from the drone bay changes which are the only real changes made to it with regards to brawling.
HAM's do not have stellar application without explosion velocity/radius bonuses and generally require target to be largely stationary and/or painted or have an unsupported buffer tank that can be whittled down .. all four mids are spoken for (prop/cap/web/point) so if it meets an active tanked ship it is likely to lose.

- It needs another low to be able to tank through enemy damage while its own whittles down the opponent. With more (reliable) staying power the ec300 can and will be swapped for damage. The added low enhances its ability to kite brawl (hahahaha) at disruptor range and opens up for more than viable shield fits.
- It doesn't need the missile range bonus, that goes double now that you included HML's in the primary bonus, what it needs is someway to either apply its damage or fuckup an enemies ability to tank.
Replace the velocity bonus with either explosion velocity or radius to allow for application -or- replace velocity bonus with a neut/nos amount bonus a la Pilgrim (it is Khanid after all) to allow for a tank off-switch.

Now if you are clever you'll see what I just proposed and the nervous laughter it will probably bring .. by adding both (high to low, neut bonus) you are forcing a dps decrease if neuting is wanted by pilot (same as Zealot). Bonused neuting pretty much ensures the use of medium combat drones however as the fight can theoretically be ended before backup arrives and it expands its repertoire to include going all neut support in the fleet theatre.

As it stands choosing any of the other HACs is a better option regardless of what one wants to do. Diemos (note the absence of the 't' ), Muninn and Ishtar will all be far superior brawlers and Eagle, Ishtar, Cerberus, Zealot will be superior kiters .. even when doing their "off" thing (ex. Diemos as kiter) the others will be better than the Sacrilege.

PS: If you didn't catch it, great Diemos change. Will be an absolute horror on the small scale .. the proverbial wet rolled up newspaper only moistened with concrete instead of water.

Edit: Just remembered .. there is another hope-of-salvation for the Sacrilege .. some years ago CCP mentioned adding a high-slot TP. That might do the trick if followed through.

Another small update

Vagabond powergrid raised to 900 (+45)
Zealot CPU raised to 340 (+20)

There's no Minmatar T1 attack or combat cruiser, either. Their "missile cruiser" is a disruption one. There's nothing that would lead someone to believe that Minmatar would get a missile HAC, either. I fully expect the Huginn to become the Minmatar T2 missile boat, as much as the Bellicose serves as its T1 option. Couldn't you see the Stabber and Rupture and expect that their HAC variants would more-or-less perform their roles?

I'm sure many of us thought HACs were going to be stronger dps (application, damage amount, optimal, falloff, etc.) versions of their ships (in much the way a Zealot is flat-out better than an Omen), but Rise is content to make them "resilient" boats, but now seeing the Command ship overhauls, I'm honestly not sure where these HACs stand.

Those new Command Ships have sensor strength on-par, dps on-par, much more tank (with more slots, more stats and the same resistances), and 2x utility high slots. So why, then, would I fly a HAC over a more survivable-and-equally-efficient-and-somewhat-better CS? Over a Navy BC? Do they have a unique bonus that allows them to fit an MJD? Is their damage-per-isk output *so* much higher than a CS? Sadly, no. The Vulture, for example, has the same dual optimal bonuses, same resist bonus but it has a 10%! bonus damage to turrets per level than an Eagle's 5%, making the Vulture as effective or better at range with 7.5 effective turrets over the Eagle's 6.25. So where is the compelling reason? Oh wait, they have an MWD bonus that works well if they decide to kite yet is totally worthless for brawling play styles....right.....compelling.