Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't think he will be happy until the vaga has 12 effective turrets, 150k ehp, and moves as fast as a dram.

CCP Rise, what is up these HP values? They are all over the place.

SACRILEGE
Raw HP 5040

ZEALOT
Raw HP 4900

CERBERUS
Raw HP 4600

EAGLE
Raw HP 5300

DEIMOS
Raw HP 5850

ISHTAR
Raw HP 5300

VAGABOND
Raw HP 4130

MUNINN
Raw HP 4980

The problem is that people won't be happy until the ship can out brawl, out tank, and out kite all of it's competition.

Oh crap, the meaning of this just sunk in .. Dev in charge thinks it is good that the Sacrilege is bad .. it can work of course but even the word niche will be an exaggeration

Poor Sac.

Off topic: What do you have CCP Ytterbium doing, he get some stress related symptoms and opted for the non-confrontational skill reshuffle thingy to save what was left of his sanity?

The zealot doesnt have to be only a"fleet ship" either. Considering every other hac bar the eagle have at least a flight of light drones (the cerb has only 3 but who needs them when your main weapon always hits and you can hit to 200k and cant be TDd).

Also considering the zealot has the worst tracking guns in the game....

I'd love to if i could get the old nomen damage back

Nano Zealots are actually one of the most effective anti-tackle ships I have every flown, reasonable tracking and immense projection means that most tackle doesn't get in close.

Its not a ship that can solo unfortunately.

RISE

its a bit odd that the muninn is the only one with a tracking bonus.. is arties that bad?

perhaps free up some bonuses for a more split bonus ship think armour T2 scythe with better projection.

This way the muninn will get more use out of it and its very minmatar to do split bonuses anyway .. just look at the recons and fleet.

MUNINN

Role Bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Minmatar Cruiser Bonuses:
5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire
10% bonus to Medium Projectile rate of fire

Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret optimal range
5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire

Slot layout: 6H(-1), 3M, 6L(+1); 6 turrets, 6 launchers
Fittings: 1160 PWG, 355 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1580(-2) / 2000(-4) / 1400(-6)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 1300(+50) / 255s (-80s) / 5.1/s (+1.4)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 210(+14) / .571 / 11750000 / 9.3s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 25
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 80km(+25km) / 294 / 6(+1)
Sensor strength: 21 Ladar(+8)
Signature radius: 125(-5)

I've been clamoring for the Muninn to be a missile boat for awhile, but I don't think the split weapons bonus is the way to go. HACs should be specialized, not generalists. I'd rather see something like this.

Muninn

Role Bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Minmatar Cruiser Bonuses:
5% bonus to explosive Missile damage
10% bonus to Missile velocity

Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
5% bonus to Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault Missile explosion velocity
5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire

I'd otherwise leave the ship as they've planned to make it. What you'd wind up with is a Minmatar missile boat that armor tanks well enough for AHAC gangs, and is great for roasting support ships (compared to the cerb, which is more of a long range sniper). THAT is a ship people would fly.

The eagle remains noncompetitive at its intended task. Please reduce base signature radius to 125m, increase base speed to 200m/s. I understand that it does have a range advantage over the zealot, but that is all it has. It will never be an actual doctrine option with its current signature to speed ratio due to the dominance of attack battlecruisers, which have a damage and range advantage. Please bear in mind that due to the detrimental effects of shield extenders and rigs, the eagle will never actually be 125m signature as the zealot. I think the eagle will still lose out in equal optimals against zealot with 125m sig and 200m/s, but that's what the double optimal bonus is for. Please tune the eagle a bit more into its fleet role, and we will actually see medium rail doctrines in the near future.

I like the new vaga PG. With current proposed fitting changes, it can fit one LSE, one large ASB, and a full rack of 425s with two projectile rigs and a PDS. It's extremely tight, though, as not a lot of people have projectile rigging 5. You can swap the PDS for an RCU, but I like that the PDS increases its engagement time and EHP a bit.

I see no reason to ask for the muninn to be changed to missiles. It has its own role, and artillery is it. That said, it would benefit from a bit more power grid so you could fit 720mm IIs and a 1600mm plate without both rig slots using an ancillary current router. Otherwise, it will remain only a Black Legion toy, not having enough damage/tank to make even an anti-support fleet. If intended as small gang/solo play.... Well, the minmatar already have the vagabond, don't they?