EVE General Discussion

Constant? One CSM's blog post about how things are really, really bad? This is "constant anti-CCP drivel?"

You are aware that these are the CSMs that literally dropped everything in their lives to fly out to CCP's HQ to help save EVE (or at least, help save CCP's face) during the RMT Riots, right?

Yes, I know -- when I put it that way, it's clearly sensationalism, but it's at least better written than "constant anti-CCP drivel," which I feel should really be read in the same voice as "Comic Book Guy" from the Simpsons for maximum effect.

Myself, I wasn't aware CCP was a faction we could be "pro" or "anti", although if you consider the idea of being a mouthbreathing, neckbeard pubbie fanboy who refuses to look objectively at EVE online as a hole as "pro-CCP," well, call me "anti-CCP", because I, for one, shave my neckbeard every 2, 3 weeks, minimum.

Which leads into an interesting idea -- how do we grind faction with CCP? I'm thinking Strippers, Pizza, and Beer quest turn-ins, but Christ, it's a long walk to the mission hub over in Iceland. Maybe FedEx, or a really, really large trebuchet.

Wait, what was I saying again?



I think my favorite part of this badpost is this line. Lets ignore the misspelled privilege and the incorrect use of an apostrophe in "its".

Lets look at the concept that one CSM's ranting about very real problems that are being mostly swept under the rug by CCP as a whole (with the exception of some great and devoted people on the FiS team) is causing the fact that subscription numbers have been going down for a very, very long time.

Yes Virginia, it turns out that Mittani was SO SO MEAN to the poor widdle multinational corporation known as CCP that it recursively struck a blow for player population numbers backwards, through time and space itself. He did this by pointing out that Incarna was a flop, that FiS hasn't been getting funding since WoD and Dust started development, and that as the CSM it is time to start complaining about FiS not getting any love. (Not actually doing any complaining, just pointing out that in the oncoming weeks they were going to start complaining.)

So mean, that it broke time itself.

Either that or there's a hole in your logic. But getting a pubbie to admit that is less likely than the time travel thing, so lets go with time travel.


... Although I would pay good money to see some clueless pubbie demand Mittani step down from the CSM because he's not fanboy enough. You'd be able to hear the laughter from ORBIT.

From your blog:

"As I see it, CCP is at a crossroads. They can either double-down on their current strategy, put all their resources into their new projects, accept the huge risk that EVE subscription numbers will stall and plummet to the ground, and hope they can get their new games on the market quickly enough to keep the company flying.

Or they can refocus their available resources back on EVE FiS -- light the afterburners, if you will -- revitalize their cash cow (accepting that this will delay World of Darkness), and then use that as a basis for expansion. Obviously, this is the choice EVE players would prefer."



How can they double down in their current strategy? All their chips are *already* there. Its not like they have substantial resources left in eve to put there.

They already put everything into these other games and eve is taking a bigger hit than expected. That plan is not working. The first step is to recognize that reality. Then they better start feeding the cash cow.

Since when have there been good posters on EVE-O?

Also, I find it rather amusing to see all these pubbies who bash Mittens when they really don't know much about the guy or about nullsec politics/life in general.




There's nothing holding back new players from fighting in PvP except ancient ideas of SP caste and acceptance. In Dreddit we will literally take guys on their trial accounts and send them out to gets kills and have fun. Our strength comes from our new and young pilots. I only have 3.6 mil SP myself but have gotten nearly 100 kills and plenty of solo kills too. Don't let anyone hold you back.

Actually... I'd be more likely to do the opposite of what mittens might suggest. If he were to suggest everyone to unsub ,I'd be more likely to reactivate my now dormant 4 accounts.

To me, mittens and the CSM are moot. I see a post or comment by one of them I simply turn the other way. I give as much weight to what they say as I might give to a shuttle hopping into local, but...my views of the CSM were never very positive.

My opinion, if I may?

I feel there is no true value to a RL political structure for a virtual world. Especially since a virtual world is ultimately ran by a dictator. Dictator = the business aspect of the game. A game's (EVE in this case) content will be decided by what makes the company the money to continue paying the bills and keeps the investors happy, nothing more, nothing less.

CCP would be committing corporate suicide if it were to listen to the voices of the CSM as they represent very little of the playerbase. Yes... the CSM voice represents very little of the player base. Mittens himself admitted he only fought for things only his voters wanted. The rest of the CSM has recently indicted total support of Mittens per a post in Jita Park.

I'm not going to forget the ingnorance mittens and the CSM has shown in the last few months, nor am I going to forget the action/inaction of CCP. However I still hope CCP will see the error in their ways and return to the CCP we all once knew.

as for the new face of CSM and mittens - I can only assume they're hoping people have the memory of a goldfish.

I'm aware of why the CSM was created, at that time I thought it a good idea. However, after seeing it in action, and over a period of time, I can't help to think of several alternative ideas/rules that could have been implemented to avoid future T20 like incidents.

Ideas/suggestions/New rules

1) I think it a horrible idea that any MMO company would allow their employees to participate with the player community beyond employee capacity. It's all cool if they want to interact with us, but to be a player in a playerbase corporation is wrong more than on one level.

Not to mention by allowing it, you're inviting corruption like what we've already seen. There's a saying my dad used in situations where temptation might be an issue; "You don't go walking into a warehouse full of gasoline with a flame thrower."

If you guys (CCP) want to play with and against us, get your own CCP alliance going and come out with your undoctored skills. Let's have an all out good time kicking each other's arses. Maybe a couple weeks, couple times, each year.

NO NO NO... you can't use your DEV/GM skills either. You must be identified by a special little pink pony tag in your avatar picture and ship so we know you're fair game. =)

2) Go ahead and remove sov mechanics. Let the whole of EVE be "no sov" like hi-sec. The balancing would be so much easier, lol. NO MOAR politics, just Pee-Vee-Pee!

3) CCP... go back to the way you were before, awesomeness! I don't know if it's my imagination or just timing. But... it seems to me you guys started a curve away from the playerbase the minute you created the CSM. CSM hindering your once excellent content expansions?

REF: #3 CCP, I don't make light of your efforts with Incarna and the last few expansions but feel as many feel you failed to deliver player content as good or better than your last expansion(s) of which IMO has been in a downward spiral for the last few expansions.


I guess in all of this I'm wondering if the CSM isn't more of a hinderance than blessing to CCP and the playerbase. If you place a timeline from the creation of the CSM and the downward spiral of content release, would it not closely mirror each other? Looks that way from where I'm sitting. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong.

lol they come in an snip the non CSM trolling but not mittens' good show mods

good job on not reading bud, Nerfing high sec has nothing to do with us noobs huh? Im a noob so Ill never get to see "end game" huh? Yeah give the CSM all the credit on the NeX thing lol the ppl in the game had nothing to do with that lol

When you cant win the argument attack the speaker lol
Troll harder buddy



What is the specific question you wanted answered then? I'd be happy to assist you. You appear to have asked what happens if you feel the CSM does not represent you, the very clear and concise answer is "Work to get somebody elected who you feel represents your interests more".

On the surface it appears that you just don't like that answer, but that IS the answer.[/quote]

precisely. The real answer is "nothing while we are in office." You couldnt have phrased it better, man

I assume he's an alt on a non CSM lol



I have an issue with this statement and that argument. Is or is not EVE a sandbox? Funny all the ppl saying that 0.0 is end game in a game where there IS NO end game cause its a sandbox. IF its a sand box, there should be no right or wrong way to play. Also, just cause youre in high sec doesnt mean youre not PVPing. As Ive heard, lots of the most hard core 0.0 PVPers have high sec mining/missioning alts to provide that PVP alt money and ships. As well are the people that suicide gank.
As Ive said before, if you want to up the risk/reward, why not make high sec less safe instead of nerfing it to force people to go to 0.0 (yes realize theres no gun to people's heads but you CAN economically force people to move if you didnt realize that)? Id be cool with making 0.0 more dangerous if the risk/reward thing is really what youre after on that.

Seems to me a lot of the time its less actually risk/reward the ppl thay cry risk/reward than it is allowing them to kill said highsec carebears for the simple pleasure of killing ppl that dont want any part of it.

So, let me get this straight:

We should hold a new CSM election every time there is a new subscriber, to ensure that everyone's views are instantly recognized with equal weight.

Even better, let's move to a direct-democracy system, where anyone may propose a motion to be brought before CCP's attention, and then the entire EVE population votes on said motion.

Just like if a federal election occurs the day before your 18th birthday, subscribing to EVE after the CSM elections does not invalidate or reduce the legitimacy of the result. Likewise, disagreeing with the winners' policies or disliking the winners themselves does not automatically mean that the winners do not represent their constituency, it merely means that your preferred candidate received fewer votes. The extension of that last sentence is that if your preferred candidate (who received fewer votes) WAS calling the shots, they would actually be less representative of their constituency than the current representatives whose policies you disagree with.

Some of them are missioners. Yes there are NPC areas that have missions so I hear in 0.0 but Id have to imagine that would nearly be suicidal to run O.o Plus, youd have to get a fleet together to do it.
Some of them would like to get into 0.0 but there are douchebag gatecampers that sit in the highsec/lowsec gates with hundreds of ships and keep anyone from moving between highsec an lowsec/nulsec.
Ive heard more ppl complain about the gatecamping in low than really anything else as far as the reasoning as to why the wouldnt go to 0.0. How, they say, do you get to 0.0 when every entry point is clogged with gatecampers with nothing better to do than pop anyone that comes through?
I know not EVERY gate is covered 24/7 but enough of them ARE that the popular myth seems to be that all of 0.0 is blockaded off.
One of my friend's main issues of not wanting to go to 0.0 is cause everything is claimed already. He says he has no interest in being a (his words) "pet", "meat shield" or a renter. HE says being down in 0.0 make shim feel like a cockroash cause as soon as a neut jumps in system standing orders are to run to the POS. So it feels to him like when someone jumps in he's a cockroach an the neut is turning on the lights.
I woulnt have much interest in that either honestly, and I wouldnt be much interested in the game if it got changed to a point where it was no longer a sandbox and you were funneled into 0.0 after a certain point in the game.
Yes, Im new, but Im also taking an interest in the way this game in being shaped, and deciding for myself if I want to stay here or if they change it too much, at what point will move on?
You (not the quoted, but others) say Im ignorant, Im HERE to learn. Provide me with links that dispute the information Im coming by, thay way when other people find this thread, THEY will learn too instead of just insulting me and calling me names.

Oh Im catching up on the thread as I go, it might be a while before I get to these pages to reply to anything here

Sure there is. It's behind the door in the Captain's Quarters!