EVE General Discussion

Can't stand the CSM can't believe CCP huh?

Looks like you're betwixt the proverbial drake a hard place

I can see pros and cons to this. On the "pro" side, it potentially would simplify things greatly. Of course... over-simplification could be seen as a "con" too by those that like a little more complexity in the game. It would make transporting fuels simpler as well. If this was in addition to ice, however, and not something you can make through PI, then you screw wormholes over (and anyone else that needs to travel notable distances) by adding to the number of trips required for fuel supply.

Additional cons... the markets for the PI fuels would drop significantly if another product doesn't come along to make up the slack. All those people that make a nice passive income on robotics, uranium, coolant, mech. parts etc would feel the pain. It would also add cost to people (like me) that provide all their own PI fuels already (unless it also replaces ice fuels).

I can see where the job of the CSM would be a bit challenging, at least for those capable of taking these ideas and following all the fingers of cause and effect throughout the game. It's easy to state the case solely for your own side (perspective), but more of a task to view it from all sides.

Heh... good luck Trebor.

Learning skills was neutral as in old-player vs new-player benefit? You use some interesting math. And in case you don't know this, at the removal of learning skills, everyone was given attributes corresponding to maxed out learning skills.

In general, cynic "laws" like the one in your sig are utterly pointless because the only thing they're good at is making you look all mysterious and brooding in your own eyes, but do nothing to make the situation better. Somebody whose entire opinion is "oh those assholes will do what they want anyway" is just as worthless a political contributor as someone who blindly agrees to everything.

You have to consider each proposed change on its own merit with an open mind. Having enough of a brain to be able to do this helps too of course, I'm still facepalming from your inability to see the removal of learning skills as something positive for new players, this is a straight up mathematical fact.

It's called Democracy. Maybe you've already heard about it before if you live in Europe. Basically there are these strange things called "votes" where people get a strange list of candidates to choose from. Then you have a certain time frame in which you can choose one of the candidates ("voting") and then submit your choice ("vote") to a (hopefully) independent authority. This authority then counts the votes of all the people that chose to take part in the election and then the people with the most votes win.

If you failed to vote or voted for someone who did not win then that's not "unfair" or "not representing you"... it's democracy.

Next time you might want to run yourself or organize a campaign to support whichever candidate you think will represent your views.

Until you've done that... well... just gonna have to live with it, ey?

Facepalm away. People like me got a boat-load of instantly applicable, stat-independant skillpoints and a free remap.

It is not about representing any one group. It is about making the GAME better. The CSM has access to information we do not, and we should be able to trust them to represent the player base as a whole.

My opinion on their ability to do this is still out. They have been about as good as CCP with their perception management issues, but I am just foolish/optimistic enough to give them a chance after reading the non-moronic answers some of them have proffered in this thread.

That being said, they are our elected representatives at this time, they should be held to account for the state of player/CCP relations, and to some degree for the total intransigence of CCP for the past few months. I applaud any steps they take, but I am looking for results. If they can't make us, and I mean all of us, heard, then we need to elect someone who can.

Yes. That's why I said it was "neutral".

however if you are so brain-dead as to think the removal of learning skills - one of the things that most drove new players away - you are sort of a hopeless case and arguing with you is much like arguing with a dog

I thought TEST did likewise? In any case, I've always liked the way that goons have promoted, expanded and vitalised the game. I wish more alliances would emulate your example in this regard. Still, it's a big enough game for all kinds of philosophies.

They represent a large majority of the people who bothered to take 30 seconds to vote.

PS You should tot up the memberships of the 0.0 alliances sometime. And then add a healthy percentage to account for cyno alts, trade alts, freighter alts, etc etc etc. I think you might find that that "tiny minority" isn't actually quite as tiny as you think.