Skill Discussions

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Jees, shut up already...

My current SP and my 2700 SP/Hour is the ONLY REASON why my accounts are always active. Although i've trained up everything i need 4 years ago. I'm actually playing 2 months in a year, and i love to watch my character grow.

So the day when there won't be passive SP gain will be the last day i pay and play.

Of course, the game itself without sp is cool, but there's always a time when you're not enjoying anymore. In most cases that means unsubbing and forgetting about the game. In eve, the game is just going to RL - you're still "playing", training the character, you just doing RL stuff instead of flying starships for now.

I'm not sure that even CCP actually realizes how brilliant the idea of passive training is, both for their income and for players. Considering the previous paragraph.

The problem with eve, skills, and new players, is not the skills or eve, but the new players. WHY? because allot of them are migrating from the death of their beloved and looking for something to fill the void. The problem is not with eve, but the behavior that's been taught to players.

GET TO MAX THEN HAVE FUN

Does getting all the core skills take over a year, yes. Do you need all the core skill at 5? no... do you even need ALL of them at 4?.... no. Yet to new players, they look at the cert's as a progression bar, or achievement, and think that's what I HAVE to have. Without ever thinking, oh hey I can take on a BS with a frig, with less then a week training.

Eve's end game starts as soon as you create you character. Unlike other MMO's, that advertise story, this starts YOUR's as soon as your game loads. The very moment you begin playing you're beginning a story. A story of a new pilot, with little skills, a big aspirations, embarking on a journey to discover their destiny.

It literally forces you to walk that journey, to focus on it instead of the destination. Because in eve, that end is only as possible as the person who's there now. The community changes how you can interact in this game so much, that there is no end game. The end game is when jove's say "**** these barbarians" and kill us all in our sleep (downtime).

I can understand planning for what you want to do, to fly the ship you want to fly with the stats you want. I'm there too. I can understand planning to have everything and realizing it'll take 2-3years... to which I can understand the reaction of **** this. I myself though WTH, I can barely plan what I want to do over the next year in life, yet here I am planning for it in a game?.

That's when I realize, always... because I always seem to find my way back to planning :P..., that I need to log in and play. I need to think what can I do now, I need to talk to people, I need to expand my mentality. I need to just play the game.

Then I find something to do, that's really profitable, and go hell yeah. What now?.

Without going through all the posts after the first one, I think I can contribute. In response to the first post:
There's lots to do without elite skills. The alts prove that (most alts don't have many SP). This is not a game where it all begins when you have the best possible skills. The skills are secondary, knowing how to fly the skills you have against others (PVE and PVP) is more important. You don't need maxed out DPS and HP etc to have a chance, you just need to know which fit and abilities other ships have and tailor your fit to that. You'll lose a lot of ships before you fit your ships in accordance with reality, not some fantasy we have about how other ships are fit, but you will gain SP as you lose ship after ship and learn to fit your choice of ships for all their purposes. By the time you are elite at fitting your ships and flying your ships, you have excellent skills to accompany you. But you will have to chose what skills you do not need, you won't train it all, that's the point. Only by specializing can you be the best at one task.

For a start you're making up numbers.

It takes a char with + 3 implants 145 days (less than half a year) to get MAX core skill certificate.

Followed by the skills you want for a specific ship.

e.g. Rockets+lm to 5 + destroyer to 4 is less than 1 month

or a drake and heavy missile specialisation is less than a month.

I agree it's difficult to get started, but we have a friend who's been playing 1 month and he's out pvping, missioning, station trading.

Just because you're clueless don't blame everything else.,

Theres no such thing as SP wall, in other games it takes 4-6 months to level and gear up for DECENT gear playing semi casual, gear that will be obsolete in the next expansion you have to PAY for. My cruiser V from 2010 is still valid, my purple gear from 2010 in other mmorpg`s isnt.

You can of course powerlevel in other mmorpg`s but you can powerlevel in EVE too by grinding ISK and buy a good character if you think SP is everything. Or you can choose to buy 4 plexes (in most games you have to buy the game + expansions, so game + 4 plexes isnt that hard on the wallet considering), thats over 2BIL and gets you a nice 10-15 mil SP character right from the start.

Or you can just stop staring at the SP and start playing, set some skills to go III-IV and blast things to pieces with the friends you made while learning the game.

Honestly the only thing SP gain hurts is old players restarting or w/e else, I have restarted many times after having well my way into any t2 hull and capitals. That being said all it is is a tedious wait, and I learn more and more with each reset, honestly people waste so much sp in ships they like but never fly, so much sp they could've spent perfecting the one ship they use the most or the set of ships they use the most, what a waste.

This is the game about research what ccp should is add more information in regards to what ships do what and what follows along a play style you want, as opposed to being led blindly into different ships that are fotm, or look cool but don't do **** for what you want. Now I'm not saying jack of all trades is a bad thing it's nice to have diversity, but in the beginning trying to go for every new ship you find will spread you so thin that after a year you still can't properly fly anything.

I personally, don't like the transition between frigates to battleships, honestly I think it'd be better to start in the middle at cruisers and then let them diverge to the different hulls from there. Strictly imho; going from mid to faster or to more bulkier. But I don't see that happening ever given the current charts and given the price scaling.

Been playing eve 9 years, yeah its tough at the start but that's what made me want to play eve more.

Eve rewards to committed not the people who want a quick fix.

New player here. (well, 3 or 4 months) - Currently running lvl 4's solo with a CNR. Making enough ISK to pay for my plex and then some.
Used EVEMoN to see how long it would take me to be able to sit in every subcap ship ingame - 524 days. Not even 2 years! Probably just over 2 years to be able to fly them ALL effectively, but Iv been having fun from day 1, planning, skilling, missioning, getting killed, etc.

Srsly, join a corp, hang out with others, play the game instead of throwing $ at it. Make your goals REALISTIC rather than 'I wanna fly a cap within 2 weeks...waaaaaah I can't do it *tantrum* *ragequit*

Its a game.

P.S. I think you are pissed because you bought a 2 year old toon who has not been trained for a long time. 2 years to fly a Tengu? lol.

TLDR

My 20m SP alt could wreck my 50m SP main in a toe to toe fight, so I disagree with OP. Also, this quote is from someone who really gets the point of having friends in EVE:



Second, EVE is hugely reliant on player skill. You can very often defeat or escape from an opponent simply by being more clever than them despite an arguably worse set of ship, skills, and modules. And having the best **** isn't everything, I've made that mistake. As I started to get into pvp one of the first things was switch back to flying cheap, small T1 ships with T1 modules - because I saw I was not going to be any more effective with T2 than T1 until I learned how to fight.

And 'Skillbook - How to Fight' is, crazy enough, not on the market or on contracts.

Remember that time you logged in for the first time in a couple months, hopped into your favoritest most shiniest ratting/missioning/plexing ship and blew it up in the first room cause you forgot how to fly it right? I sure do, Maybe you forgot to orbit your sentries, didn't micromanage your cap usage, or just plain forgot that complex had a smartbomb. It didn't matter that you had all your skills to V and had faction mods equipped - you play wrong, you die. And it's a razor's edge between life and death at every moment my friends.

If you ask me, being a successful pilot is maybe 10% ships/mods/implants/etc, 15% skillpoints, and 75% player skill. And I love it. While the waits for new ship classes and such have at times been frustrating, I've noticed that the time it takes for skill training complete for the fancy ships with the big pricetags has given me the time as a player to do some research or testing or EFTwarrioring etc. to learn how to fly it. Then it blows up anyway and I learn more.

So maybe look to your capsuleer, always training, always learning, never ceasing to expand their knowledge of New Eden and how to operate within it. Every day they inexorably becoming a little more adept than they were the previous day. You need your character to be constantly training and learning to be able to keep up in EVE, yes, but just the same your character needs you to train and learn about New Eden just the same. Otherwise they're just so much biomass floating in the vacuum.