EVE General Discussion

so back to making dudes emoting each other jokes if you want to roll like that.

I find it quite fathomable.

CCP thought we were stupid and would pay stupid amount of money for Barbie clothes for our toons.

We demonstrated our displeasure with their incorrect assumptions by dropping our subscriptions in large numbers.


Now the over priced Barbie clothes are a 3rd rail that CCP would rather not go near again, lest that anger resurface.

That, and they'd have to support that new (vanity only) content and iterate it should there be any problems.

CCP has enough unfinished content on their plate already that needs iterated.

No, there was definitely more to it than just being pissed for no reason.

Lets see, CQ was a forced feature that ran some people's computers into the ground and was completely divergent from space ship game play....read that as annoying as hell for quick docking/undocking especially if you're frame rate dropped from 50fps to 5fps.

The NeX was exclusionary. Regardless of people's opinions towards space barbie dolls the fact that most items were over $20 a piece placed the entire avatar experience in jeopardy since many people cannot afford or will not afford to blow +$100 playing dressup. Those price points were absurd. Compound that with indestructible items and it detracts from game play, not enhance it. The overall opinion for those in the two categories mentioned was that their game play was suffering at the expense of features that they couldn't or wouldn't justify. Hence it was exclusionary. A simple solution would have been to make the MT actually micro and the items destructible with auto-buy options. CCP would have been lining the pockets of their $1,000 jeans with cash from that model. And chances are, that even people who didn't care about space barbie would have eventually participated to some extent.

Instead of reallocating resources to 1) advance the mainstay game play and 2) fix WiS, CCP just shelved WiS development. As it stands now it's a blemish on the game and a in game live testament to CCP's failure to both its execution and its resolution. The avatars still don't render properly. That's what I call quitting.

As to why CCP has abandoned both WiS and the NeX, IDK. It's easy to say that it was because of what the players wanted. I find that extremely hard to believe given the investment that CCP made even at those same players' expense. The only obvious reason is that WiS, technologically was a complete failure and they reached some technical impasse or it was just an alpha test for WoD with CCP having no intentions to completing it. Now, what happened behind the scenes, I've no idea. Do they have some licensing that expired? Is NeX the sole domain of another company? Did they develop the alpha version and then solely license the tech to another company preventing further development in game? No clue. But, I do see a lot of potential there that would not require any significant development to implement. And yet, CCP lets that resource and potential income stream be completely orphaned. Nah, there's too much that doesn't add up to be solely for the players' benefit that CCP changed directions entirely. There are a number of ways it could have been handled to both satiate the playerbase and develop a proper secondary income stream from the game.

I will just leave these here...

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Bah, the Forum ate my post

In the end it all sums up to one thing: Lots of stupid people started whining about Wis for no reason. No reason at all. And WiS was shelved because of that and no other reason.

Just goes to show that CCP could go a long way towards restoring confidence by showing that the Incarna engine can render multiple avatars in real time.

If you want to believe it was purely because of player dissatisfaction then believe it. I do not. CCP spent, at least 18 months on it. That's a huge investment to completely write off. I don't know how much they spent but I'm sure it was over a million dollars to implement it and then quit it. So, if writing off that large of an investment due to player dissatisfaction is enough for you, wonderful.



That's the real question, isn't it? I'm thinking it could not, not with current consumer GPUs. I mean, think about what is being rendered and how even players with high performance systems were complaining about problems rendering a small room and one avatar. Now, imagine one's system performance rendering expansive environments with hundreds of avatars. There were even rumors that some dev's were asking those same questions, at the time. I'm inclined to believe, barring tinfoil hat stuff, that the rendering engine was a technological dead end because someone screwed up, promised more than could be delivered and there was a lack of oversight eventually leading to a realization that the whole thing needed to be trashed and they needed to start over which they weren't willing to do. Players' dissatisfaction was merely a convenient excuse and a positive PR excuse at that.

Otherwise, there's no reason not to continue it even at levels of development that doesn't cause people to unsub. I think there's more to it but CCP will never give us the whole story.

Please, please, please hurry this up!

Another year of development on this is not acceptable. If it can't make it in this Odyssey expansion then the winter one will do.

Why is this not using the same engine as the other avatar stuff though?

They removed the hangars, but they have shown them i all the demos, that was unforgivable, because people should have the liberty to choose.