Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Back in the good days this emergent small gang pvp community* built around these plexes in Molden Heath was there to unite and fight against "the big blobby aggressors" of E-Uni. None of that could happen now days as theres no ground to hold... It was kind of low-sec sov war fighting for low-sec moon goo.

*bunch of people that liked to shoot each other.

I still wonder why those sites were moved into the exploration system BUT at the same time they were removed from low-sec completely. They just don't spawn there. Basically CCP nerfed low-sec at least twice. But then again, I never did any of this so what do I know.

Yeah, but whatever the payoffs, they need to justify the risk you are taking. It can't make you as much as another activity that you can do while being safe otherwise there is no draw to come do it. That's the reason the 1/10 and 2/10 worked so well, they had a good draw/reason to fight.

Sorta like http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16462358 and http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16464058. Apparently copy paste is required for all links these days....

Nope not farmed at all. Clearly (not bots even)

Noone said that FW was fine as it is now. In fact, if you pay attention to FW related threads in W&T part of forum, you'll notice that majority of non-farming FW community has been very vocal about changes required in order to remove or at least discourage farming alt locust swarm which currently dictates svings in sov mechanics.
However, FW plexes have provided a lot of nice fights so I'm sure something similar could be introduced to the rest of lowsec. The fact that FW is broken atm is no excuse for requiring another broken mechanism, which DEDs were, back. They should be replaced by something else which will be hard to farm and potentially rewarding, thus a conflict driver. Now, what it should be I'll leave to CCP to work out, we are paying them for that after all.

Anyway, summer expansion details will be out in 2 days so fingers crossed

It appears posting is futile but:

I just came back from a break. Since I now have a computer that gets more than 15fps.... in map mode.... I was looking forward to going back to my lowsec life. I JC'd to my old home in Hiematar. Local had a bunch of unfamiliar faces and I think "sweet!" I undock, swing my camera over to check if they are in the 2/10 plex........only to find my favorite landmark no longer there. I frantically try and get the old chat channel up..... only to find it deserted. It doesnt look like any of them log-in anymore. So the removal of 2/10's seems to have removed fun and friends from the game. Needless to say I am bummed.

2/10's is where I cut my PVP teeth. In the early days that plex is what kept me in ships. It also kept me in fights and, more importantly, in lowsec. I used to tell everyone in noobcorp about how fun they were and how they could use them to even out the odds. Granted, that was before they became high-sp, shiny fit central.

I applaud CCP for attempting to remove the farming that was occurring in those sites (hello SB+ hourly pickup character........ you know who you are!). After the original frig and AF buffs the loot drops became too lucrative so I would have even been ok with killing the drop rates. Some folks want to treat them as mini-sov resources- claiming that they should be lucrative enough to make people want to 'own' the system, but I bet they would still prefer reduced loot to what they got. IMO the ISK was never what made 2/10's special though.... so if a reduced drop is unacceptable they can DIAF

What made them special, for me, was that it was one of the last places where terrain mattered. Individuals who knew the terrain could leverage it to fight groups who did not, instead of having to resort to the standard safe/dock/leeroy SOP that is no fun for anybody. Now I used and abused that terrain, sometimes pushing too far in retrospect (cough*mobile repair stations one the edge of deadspace*cough). Those types of things were pretty minor though and hardly constituted a situation calling for removing the site. A few creative touches, like when the deadspace boundary started moving every 3-4 weeks, would have sufficed.

All in all, you (CCP) sacrificed something that was largely working in lowsec in the name of homogeneity. Hell has a special place set aside for people who do that. REPENT YE SINNERS BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!


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Bump just because I'm too head strong and bitter to let this go.

PvP grounds my hairy nipple, they we're overfarmed by people and are better off in the exploration queue although I personally would have preferred the were constellation anomalies and not signatures.

Just in case you didn't catch this (you wouldn't be the first). We were of course referring to low sec static plexes, not the high sec ones. God knows those were a broken system, may they stay gone for ever. However it function very differently in low.

Made it hard for me to get above -9.5

(miss those times)

The fun thing about Lowsec Farmers though was being able to kill them with relative ease. Even the most careful ones could either be killed with a little bit of preparation, or could be denied farming.

Unlike Highsec.

I really hope with the announced new dimension of exploration or whatever in odyssey, they add something comparable to this again.


Stealth Bump.