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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Jacabon Mere
Capital Storm.
#21 - 2013-01-17 04:13:48 UTC
Fix pos's already dammit.

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Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-01-17 04:14:07 UTC
Kenpachi Viktor
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-01-17 04:15:52 UTC
Identity, ownership, community - the 3 biggest reasons I play this MMO

Overhauling the POS system increases my ability to have ownership Bear

A war that would’ve involved 20,000 players, 75% of nullsec space, and hundreds of supercapitals was halted not by diplomacy, but by a game mechanic so dreadful that those who have experienced it previously have no desire to do so again. - Fix POS & SOV

Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-01-17 04:16:23 UTC
Pretty much the entire CSM agrees that POSes have to be replaced in the mid- to long-term, and in the meantime, something has to be done to reduce the pain induced by current POSes.

I for one will be working hard to encourage CCP, during the planning process that they have just started, to choose a theme that naturally includes work on POSes. The unprecedented access we are getting during this process gives us the opportunity to make the case.

Our second Skype meeting about this is on Friday. Wish us luck.

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery

T'ango A'lee
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2013-01-17 04:18:43 UTC
Good golly Miss CCP.

The # of POSes in High Sec.
Low Sec
Worm Hole


Please Fix POSes Soon. Very damn soon!
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#26 - 2013-01-17 04:19:36 UTC
Fix POS's please.

No trolling please

andy Achasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-01-17 04:20:04 UTC
I support a POS revamp.
Tanaka Aiko
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-01-17 04:20:16 UTC
Any sov nullsec resident interact with POS often, be it only by using a jump bridge, warping to a forcefield, or of course fighting over one.

My corp have at least 1/4 of the players (RL players not characters) having a need to manage a POS, be it for fueling, reacting, inventing or manufacturing things on them.
And I'm sure some others do it on high sec alts.

I'm not even talking about WH residents...

I don't get how you can consider that to be a small portion of the community.

And even if you still do, you can see it another way : the guys who manage POS, using them to create ships for us, resources so we can fight, taking time to fuel them and so can be considered often as either enablers or instigators. You said on these Minutes that these types of guys needed to be better treated... so don't say after that making their life easier is not worth of a high priorities.

And if you really can't for now, a few fixes on POS are really the minimum. There are lots of things for that, like making that we loss less time moving from module to another to do things inside forcefield, or having less issues with stuff for example.
Victoria Anninen
Iaccurate Declaration Of Taxable Income
#29 - 2013-01-17 04:21:01 UTC
andy Achasse wrote:
I support a POS revamp.

motion seconded.
Jack Miton
Holesale Operations
#30 - 2013-01-17 04:21:15 UTC
POSs are used extensively in highsec, lowsec, nullsec and WH space.
Apparently the people who live in those regions of space are a minor part of the EVE community...

POSs are a, possibly the, major infrastructure item on EVE and the need fixing urgently.

There is no Bob.

Stuck In Here With Me:

Down the Pipe:

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
#31 - 2013-01-17 04:21:39 UTC
Wouldn't the people (~small portion of the community~) who manage starbases in alliances fall under the 'enabler' category of players CCP Seagull says need non-horrible tools to do their jobs
Eon Ending
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-01-17 04:22:10 UTC
Chaos Incarnate wrote:
I strongly disagree with the abandonment of the modular POS system, and support this thread in its entirety.

It's been said by CCP that the development of the modular POS system would only help a few people; POSs impact daily life for thousands of players (to use CCP Seagull's terminology, the 'instigators' and 'enablers', especially the latter, have to deal with them all the time), and it's one of the most ancient and diseased features of EVE. I also think properly reimplemented, they can be an amazing source for the player interaction that CCP says it's striving for.

It's also been said that it would be too much effort, and I respectfully disagree here as well. I think that you can spread the work out over a long period of time and develop it alongside other features. To quote my suggestion in the minutes blog thread:

Here's what I'll suggest: let's break things down into meaningful chunks, and make it an 18/24 month project. Build the new POS system slowly as a 'farms and fields' conflict driver in all levels of space; eg, you anchor the new towers at certain beacons/exploration sites to seize control of them and provide resources/abilities, and keep the old system roughly the same until the new system is full featured enough to feasibly replace it.

Start out doing something simple for summer 2013 (small POSs anchored directly attached to comets, mining for moongoo - no guns or anything too complex, think something like a POCO), but expand iteratively from there over time to new areas while working on reimplementing POS functionality alongside this. Maybe you add med towers, reactors, guns, corp storage, and mooring in winter 2013; maybe large towers, industry, labs, reprocessing, market, contracts, and moon anchoring in summer 2014; and maybe the full system can be replaced by winter 2014 with full docking/captains quarters, forcefields, etc.

I think this is in line with what CCP Unifex posted in his blog. I think the biggest argument that I have to make here is that this isn't going away. If you don't do this NOW and just kick the can down the road, in two years or five years or ten years the utter misery of the POS system is going to be dragging EVE down. Hell, it already is.


And good god help POSes out.

Daniel Plain
#33 - 2013-01-17 04:22:32 UTC
the reason why 'only a small portion of the community' is involved with POSes is because they are in a disastrous state. please fix POS mechanics.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Loki Lore
Requiem of a Pickaxe
#34 - 2013-01-17 04:22:50 UTC
Pos fix plz
Stellar Forge Industries
#35 - 2013-01-17 04:24:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Styledatol
Fix POSes plx.

...and for Bob's sake, let us swap subsystems.
We harvest the materials here, we build them t3s here, but nop - can't assamble/swap subs in wspace.

Edit: so 'only a small portion of the community'?
Look at FW, it was pitiful, the butt of many jokes, hardly anyone bothered with it; yet, CCP won't fix a system that not only affects all empire/null POS owners but also every single soul that lives in wspace - not sure how to understand this. CCP either doesn't realize wspace residents have to live in this broken system, or we're too 'insignificant' for them to care for.
Irrius Matrye
Holey Roamin' Empire
#36 - 2013-01-17 04:25:11 UTC
Saying that POSes only affect those who manage it and that POSes are a small aspect of EVE is a very ignorant statement. As many people have stated before, POSes can be found almost everywhere in space. Please fix the current POS system of it's current headaches and security issues CCP.
Reboot Required
#37 - 2013-01-17 04:26:30 UTC
In approximate 1/3 of all systems it is only possible to establish a semi-permanent presence via a POS. Living out of a POS is a huge pain that is complete with a multitude of quirks, of stupids rules, and ****** security for your assets either from theft or destruction. Of course, this 1/3 of all systems is w-space, which CCP has stated in wspace is the least broken, or working as intended part of eve. As such I cannot help but understand how a POS revamp would affect only a small part of the community and is in fact a poor use or resources on the part of CCP.
18 months.
Meh **** it, I'll just walk through the door of the station that I don't have since a large part of the community interacts with those regularly (22%).
Seagull please continue to put “the enablers” . . . "through a lot of painful, unnecessary work." Doing otherwise would break CCP tradition and I would expect nothing but the best from :CCP: . . .

James Arget for CSM 8!

Dietrich III
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#38 - 2013-01-17 04:27:49 UTC
POS mechanics are...well...a POS (Piece of ****).

They affect practically every wormhole dweller, anybody who moon mines, owns a super (like it or not), every Nullsec alliance, any hi/lowsec research corporation....

To say that POS fixes would only affect a small portion of EVE is absurd. Let's show them how big this "small portion" of EVE really is.

CSM, show them the light. CCP, PLEASE DO SOMETHING about this clunky, insecure and unintuitive POS interface that we've had to endure for far too long.
Earl oSatrun
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#39 - 2013-01-17 04:28:42 UTC
Dear CCP

The POWER OF BOB compels you to fix the pos'.

Or failing that... please please please please please please please please (/emote too lazy to copy that word 10k times. It's the thought that counts, eh?)
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-01-17 04:30:17 UTC
A rather disturbing viewpoint from CCP.