EVE General Discussion

Nice. I've been idling over that very long WiS update thread full of "updates soonTM guys" promises for a while, half expecting it to be dead. Nice to see something great is coming of it :)

James Cameron

I would guess it's docked/shielded in some way or the feature will be largely useless. No one is going to bother competing with others in the structures, if they can just shoot/steal the ship the competition uses without a fight and then do the structure without interference. Even when you're alone you couldn't risk a proper ship to dock most of the time, so having the ship vulnerable would force people to use worthless ships for doing the structures, because the inherent risk. It just makes sense to have some kind of protection to ensure people do them without having to use tedious workarounds and competition actually happens within the structures.

From walking around a station (which you failed to accomplish) to this is one of the reasons why it will not work.

Great vision of ideas, zero vision of implementation.

There are so many reasons why this will not work they don't really seem worth mentioning.

But urm, good luck anyway I guess.

I am a little envious of the whole development thing youve got going on at CCP though, it must be nice to be able to just prototype things all the time.

They just said it, they'll get to this after the dust settles.

\o/

victorious pun

Well you see, this is how things work in real companies... as opposed to the theoretical imaginings of armchair CEO's.

Omg its t0rfi. I was wondering where you were hiding. Please take back over lead designer, probably a demotion but still.





No offense Soundwave.

According to

This thread

Development started prior to the greenlight.

Youtube video showing development

I don't think this is concept, this is development work.

Also if they really expected it to work they wouldn't have told the entire community about it. In two threads I might add, especially considering how much they like there NDA's, When was the last time you heard about a feature this close to the start of its development? The answer is WIS, and we all know how well that worked out.

-If it contains PVP it wil be abused, expect people to setup alts and corporations solely for the purpose of abusing this.
-Carbon doesn't work, sorry but if it did you would be developing everything on it, wasn't that the plan afterall?
-Look how long it took to make 3 CQ and there very simple.
-A new way of controlling the character would have to be implemented, run, shoot, crouch, jump etc all things CCP have previously said they dont want in WIS.
-The idea of disembarking from my ship and crawling around ruins is idiotic when as it stands I can use a module to do that for me, codebreakers, analyzers, salvagers.
-They will never be able to do the things they want to in high sec, so it will most likely be low-null only and therefore alliances will own these things making them just another isk making machine.
-It sounds like its a dungeon.
-CCP cant even get sound to work properly in FIS, nevermind a full 3D sound system.
-CCP are pretty poor at particle effects, some of those deadspace pockets bring even the fastest computer to a crawl.
-Basically what they are trying to do is make a whole new game, albeit a short one, an FPS game, with that comes control schemes, sprites, effects, animations, sound, modeling, texture work, level design, etc, how big is TA again?
-How many different "levels" do you think they will make? 3 or 4, they cant even be bothered to give us different station interiors since the graphical update.
-Even if they did do this and got it working, it would require so many updates so frequently, balancing, GFX updates, anti-abuse mechanics, etc that it would consume way more development time than it could possibly be worth.
-Lets say it took 1 hour to do a "dungeon" they would have to make it worth it ISK wise, without making it grindable.

I could go on.

It's a bit of a gray line, where does the concept end and the gameplay start? Just thinking about ideas isn't necessarily going to get good results. Making a simple version you can play does. Essentially what we've done is a period a taking a concept and trying to make some fun gameplay with it. Ideas are a dime a dozen, what matters is execution and this is a good way to short circuit part of the execution so that you haven't got months into development only to realise there isn't a good game forthcoming. Rather fail early and often without spending too much in order to get to an awesome idea than spend years making something with no clear idea of what the end result is going to be. I've been there and got that t-shirt at other companies, so I'm not anxious to repeat the experience.

As I recall (Maybe from Ten Ton Hammer interview?) it will be left in space for anyone to board or destroy, meaning you can be stranded.

Were I a capsuleer I'd disconnect my pod and try to fit it in the structure somehow...getting stuck in J125125 without a ship would suck! At least with a pod you'd be able to leave the structure and use bookmarks to get back to kspace.